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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: lessismore]
    #19505430 - 02/01/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

what I am talking about exposes things as they are (mental contents) to bare awareness,
what we do habitually (including the Eckhart Tolle recommendation above) edits and embellishes the current artifacts into additional scenarios.

however pleasant the addition or edit may be, it is additional mental content, and should be noted that way, honestly.

what I mean to say is that it is not a short cut to "who am I?" it is a detour from it.


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19505584 - 02/01/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

who am I usually is the silencing of thoughts for me

who is it that thinks, is a cascade of thoughts yes, pretty unpleasant at first :-)

I don't have the answer, but I feel the answer everyday
eckhart tolles viewpoint is my viewpoint, but I must admit I read it very quickly... was really weird reading that book, it changed me


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19505613 - 02/01/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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quinn said:
only humans can create imo and i see focus on it just as meaningful as eternity





WTF?:lol:


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: Icelander]
    #19506203 - 02/01/14 01:19 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

i was thinking art and stuff


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19506321 - 02/01/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

i think markos got my meaning well even if it was a bad point


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19506626 - 02/01/14 03:20 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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im not exactly sure what you are referring to but yeh, the atman project of art and family seems legit to me... and i think any attempts to achieve immortality thru them are useless, just it is useless to seek immortality thru study of the eternal or mysticism. to be a family for its own sake or create art for its sake is just as good as being a mystic imo, so i'd agree with the buddhists.

and altho animals create things i wouldnt say it is in the same way as humans do through culture, language, insight and intent. i think expressing yourself thru em is a very worthy endeavor.




No disagreement here.


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: lessismore]
    #19506635 - 02/01/14 03:21 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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mio said:
who am I usually is the silencing of thoughts for me

who is it that thinks, is a cascade of thoughts yes, pretty unpleasant at first :-)

I don't have the answer, but I feel the answer everyday
eckhart tolles viewpoint is my viewpoint, but I must admit I read it very quickly... was really weird reading that book, it changed me




Yes. Even with all the studying, reading, meditating, yoga, and other practices since 1972, it changed me also. Amazing 'transmission!' :awesomenod:


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19506674 - 02/01/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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quinn said:
i was thinking art and stuff




Elephants.


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19506942 - 02/01/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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quinn said:
i was thinking art and stuff





Oh stuff?  :lol:  Yeah not a lot of other animals write and perform music although my dogs do like to sing along if the pitch is just right.


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: Icelander]
    #19507009 - 02/01/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

my dog only likes female jazz vocalists for some reason.. he's such a ponce


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19507440 - 02/01/14 06:15 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

i wouldn't want to defend humans really being different to animals but i think you can say that humans can only create in the same way that you can say only humans can consent or make choices or be accountable for stuff


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: quinn]
    #19509283 - 02/02/14 03:47 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

to other humans only humans can...


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19509716 - 02/02/14 07:00 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:
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mio said:
who am I usually is the silencing of thoughts for me

who is it that thinks, is a cascade of thoughts yes, pretty unpleasant at first :-)

I don't have the answer, but I feel the answer everyday
eckhart tolles viewpoint is my viewpoint, but I must admit I read it very quickly... was really weird reading that book, it changed me




Yes. Even with all the studying, reading, meditating, yoga, and other practices since 1972, it changed me also. Amazing 'transmission!' :awesomenod:



the person who gave it to me turned from a speaker for capitalism into a meditating TM munk, vegan etc. over night :wink:

worked for him too :-P

although that was just how I viewed him before, money was everything, nothing else was important, not even family or friends(never talked to rest of family), he had no friends he said, the system was his enemy/after him always, he just wanted to be alone so he could work. Always firing his employees(me incl) etc., they ment nothing to him, they never did their work good enough. He wanted to be rich so he could be successful and change the world. Always buying the newest most expensive stuff etc., but now he is vegan and barefoot.

I thought it was funny, even though he is my bro
weird transformation, he had always been like this for 10+ years

He looks happier now :-)

LSD/the power of now changed me about equally much, just in different ways, noticed my consumption was much too big and changed it i.e., started going out in nature/meditating and finding my younger self
the LSD changed me and how I interact with others, the power of now did the same, in about the same way

seems they are both a bit about self inquiry, even though we don't think of them as such right away maybe


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: lessismore]
    #19525187 - 02/05/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

"There is a powerful craving in most of us to see ourselves as instruments in the hands of others and, thus, free ourselves from responsibility for acts which are prompted by our own questionable inclinations and impulses. Both the strong and the weak grasp at this alibi. The latter hide their malevolence under the virtue of obedience. The strong, too, claim absolution by proclaiming themselves the chosen instruments of a higher power- God, history, fate, nation or humanity."

"Similarly, we have more faith in what we imitate than in what we originate. We cannot derive a sense of absolute certitude from anything which has its roots in us. The most poignant sense of insecurity comes from standing alone and we are not alone when we imitate. It is thus with most of us; we are what other people say we are. We know our selves chiefly by hearsay."

"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are. Whether this being different results in dissimulation or a real change of heart, it cannot be realized without self-awareness. Yet, it is remarkable that the very people who are most self-dissatisfied, who crave most for a new identity, have the least self-awareness. They have turned away from an unwanted self and, hence, never had a good look at it. The result is that most dissatisfied people can neither dissimulate nor attain a real change of heart. They are transparent and their unwanted qualities persist through all attempts at self-dramatization and self-transformation. It is the lack of self-awareness which renders us transparent. The soul that knows itself is opaque."

"Fear comes from uncertainty. When we are absolutely certain, whether of our worth or our worthlessness, we are almost impervious to fear. Thus, a feeling of utter unworthiness can be a source of courage. Everything seems possible when we are absolutely helpless or absolutely powerful-and both states stimulate our gullibility."

"Pride is a sense of worth derived from something that is not organically part of us, while self-esteem is derived from the potentialities and achievements of self. We are proud when we identify ourselves with an imaginary self, a leader, a holy cause, a collective body of possessions. There is fear and intolerance in pride; it is sensitive and uncompromising. The less promise and potentiality in the self, the more imperative is the need for pride. The core of pride is self-rejection. It is true, however, that when pride releases energies and serves as a spur to achievement, it can lead to a reconciliation with the self and the attainment of genuine self-esteem."

"Secretiveness can be a source of pride. It is a paradox that secretiveness plays the same role as boasting-both are engaged in the creation of a disguise. Boasting tries to create an imaginary self, while secretiveness gives us the exhilarating feeling of being princes disguised in meekness. Of the two, secretiveness is the more difficult and effective. For the self-observant, boasting breeds self-contempt. Yet, it is as Spinoza said: "Men govern nothing with more difficulty than their tongues, and they can moderate their desires more than their words." Humility, however, Is not verbal renunciation of pride but the substitution of pride for self-awareness and objectivity. Forced humility is false pride."

"A fateful process is set in motion when the individual is released "to the freedom of his own impotence" and left to justify his existence by his own efforts. The individual on his own, striving to realize himself and prove his worth, has created all that is great in literature, art, music, science and technology. This autonomous individual, also, when he can neither realize himself nor justify his existence by his own efforts, is a breeding ground of frustration and the seed of the convulsion that shakes our world to its foundations."

"the autonomous individual is stable only so long as he is possessed of self-esteem. The maintenance of self-esteem is a continuous task which taxes all of the individual's power and inner resources. We have to prove our worth and justify our existence anew each day. When, for whatever reason, self-esteem is unattainable, the autonomous individual becomes a highly explosive entity. He turns away from an unpromising self and plunges into the pursuit of pride, the explosive substitute for self-esteem. All social disturbances and upheavals have their roots in crises of individual self-esteem, and the great endeavor in which the masses most readily unite is basically a search for pride."

"So, we acquire a sense of worth either by realizing our talents, or by keeping busy or by identifying ourselves with something apart from us-be it a cause, a leader, a group, possessions or whatnot. The path of self-realization is the most difficult. It is taken only when other avenues to a sense of worth are more or less blocked. Men of talent have to be encouraged and goaded to engage in creative work. Their groans and laments echo through the ages."

"Action is a high road to self-confidence and esteem. Where it is open, all energies flow toward it. It comes readily to most people and its rewards are tangible. The cultivation of the spirit is elusive and difficult and the tendency toward it is rarely spontaneous, whereas, the opportunities for action are many."

"The propensity to action is symptomatic of an inner unbalance. To be balanced is to be more or less at rest. Action is at the bottom-a swinging flailing of the arms to regain one's balance and keep afloat. And if it is true, as Napolean wrote to Carnot, "The art of government is not to let men grow stale," then, it is an art of unbalancing. The crucial difference between a totalitarian regime and a free social order is, perhaps, in the methods of unbalancing by which their people are kept active and striving."

"We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. Yet, it sometimes seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its own talents as well."

"The times of drastic change are times of passions. We can never be fit and ready for that which is wholly new. We have to adjust ourselves and every radical adjustment is a crisis in self-esteem: we undergo a test; we have to prove ourselves. A population subjected to drastic change is, thus, a population of misfits, and misfits live and breath in an atmosphere of passion."

"That we pursue something passionately does not always mean that we really want it or have a special aptitude for it. Often, the thing we pursue most passionately is but a substitute for the one thing we really want and cannot have. It is usually safe to predict that the fulfillment of an excessively cherished desire is not likely to still our nagging anxiety. In every passionate pursuit, the pursuit counts more than the object pursued."

"Our sense of power is more vivid when we break a man's spirit than when we win his heart, for we can win a man's heart one day and lose it the next. But when we break a proud spirit, we achieve something that is final and absolute."

"It is compassion rather than the principle of justice which can guard us against being unjust to our fellow men."

"It is doubtful whether there is such a thing as impulsive or natural tolerance. Tolerance requires an effort of thought and self-control. Acts of kindness, too, are rarely without deliberation and "thoughtfulness." Thus, it seems that some artificiality, some posing and pretense, is inseparable from any act or attitude which involves a limitation of our appetites and selfishness. We ought to beware of people who do not think it necessary to pretend they are good and decent. Lack of hypocrisy in such things hints at a capacity for a more depraved ruthlessness. Pretense is often an indispensable step in the attainment of genuineness. It is a form into which genuine inclinations flow and solidify."

"The control of our being is not unlike the combination of a safe. One turn of the knob rarely unlocks the safe; each advance and retreat is a step toward one's final achievement."

Tao of Jeet Kune Do -Bruce Lee


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (02/05/14 12:34 PM)


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: Sse]
    #19526915 - 02/05/14 06:15 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

yup, it made me change myself :-P

you only change what you want to change, of course
but that is what I ment, even though it might have been unclear

when you realize you are not your thoughts, you can chose to go back to living as thoughts
or try to get an overview of them

tolles words were my words, so that is why it was weird reading that book
never finished it... wasn't ready for that much change it seemed

it makes not much sense to read your own words
although it might make you remember to do the action you need to do

not my thoughts, not my painbody, what we give is what we get(learn from mistakes/self-improvement, giving is receiving)

action is the important thing, even though hard at times


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: lessismore]
    #19527683 - 02/05/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

should something related to inquiry
have a hidden meaning
in such a way that to ask leads to action?

I have no idea what either of you are suggesting.


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19530149 - 02/06/14 11:41 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

who me? I thought that bit written by bruce lee had some real interesting stuff to ruminate over. I don't understand all of it but some insights into some aspects of the human condition that I am particularly familiar with but damned if I could ever articulate it as he did... not sure if I even understand it completely but where my projections filled in it resonates... so thought id throw it in the self-inquiry post... self-investigation.

"look straight ahead, what's there?
see it as it is
and you will never err."

"Coming all is clear, no doubt about it
Going all is clear, without a doubt
what then is it all?"


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
instant
"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: Sse]
    #19531507 - 02/06/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I see;
take the warrior stance.
ok.
it is a valid approach.
and you might get a good work out too.


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: Sse]
    #19531618 - 02/06/14 04:43 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Sse said:
"There is a powerful craving in most of us to see ourselves as instruments in the hands of others and, thus, free ourselves from responsibility for acts which are prompted by our own questionable inclinations and impulses. Both the strong and the weak grasp at this alibi. The latter hide their malevolence under the virtue of obedience. The strong, too, claim absolution by proclaiming themselves the chosen instruments of a higher power- God, history, fate, nation or humanity."

"Similarly, we have more faith in what we imitate than in what we originate. We cannot derive a sense of absolute certitude from anything which has its roots in us. The most poignant sense of insecurity comes from standing alone and we are not alone when we imitate. It is thus with most of us; we are what other people say we are. We know our selves chiefly by hearsay."

"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are. Whether this being different results in dissimulation or a real change of heart, it cannot be realized without self-awareness. Yet, it is remarkable that the very people who are most self-dissatisfied, who crave most for a new identity, have the least self-awareness. They have turned away from an unwanted self and, hence, never had a good look at it. The result is that most dissatisfied people can neither dissimulate nor attain a real change of heart. They are transparent and their unwanted qualities persist through all attempts at self-dramatization and self-transformation. It is the lack of self-awareness which renders us transparent. The soul that knows itself is opaque."

"Fear comes from uncertainty. When we are absolutely certain, whether of our worth or our worthlessness, we are almost impervious to fear. Thus, a feeling of utter unworthiness can be a source of courage. Everything seems possible when we are absolutely helpless or absolutely powerful-and both states stimulate our gullibility."

"Pride is a sense of worth derived from something that is not organically part of us, while self-esteem is derived from the potentialities and achievements of self. We are proud when we identify ourselves with an imaginary self, a leader, a holy cause, a collective body of possessions. There is fear and intolerance in pride; it is sensitive and uncompromising. The less promise and potentiality in the self, the more imperative is the need for pride. The core of pride is self-rejection. It is true, however, that when pride releases energies and serves as a spur to achievement, it can lead to a reconciliation with the self and the attainment of genuine self-esteem."

"Secretiveness can be a source of pride. It is a paradox that secretiveness plays the same role as boasting-both are engaged in the creation of a disguise. Boasting tries to create an imaginary self, while secretiveness gives us the exhilarating feeling of being princes disguised in meekness. Of the two, secretiveness is the more difficult and effective. For the self-observant, boasting breeds self-contempt. Yet, it is as Spinoza said: "Men govern nothing with more difficulty than their tongues, and they can moderate their desires more than their words." Humility, however, Is not verbal renunciation of pride but the substitution of pride for self-awareness and objectivity. Forced humility is false pride."

"A fateful process is set in motion when the individual is released "to the freedom of his own impotence" and left to justify his existence by his own efforts. The individual on his own, striving to realize himself and prove his worth, has created all that is great in literature, art, music, science and technology. This autonomous individual, also, when he can neither realize himself nor justify his existence by his own efforts, is a breeding ground of frustration and the seed of the convulsion that shakes our world to its foundations."

"the autonomous individual is stable only so long as he is possessed of self-esteem. The maintenance of self-esteem is a continuous task which taxes all of the individual's power and inner resources. We have to prove our worth and justify our existence anew each day. When, for whatever reason, self-esteem is unattainable, the autonomous individual becomes a highly explosive entity. He turns away from an unpromising self and plunges into the pursuit of pride, the explosive substitute for self-esteem. All social disturbances and upheavals have their roots in crises of individual self-esteem, and the great endeavor in which the masses most readily unite is basically a search for pride."

"So, we acquire a sense of worth either by realizing our talents, or by keeping busy or by identifying ourselves with something apart from us-be it a cause, a leader, a group, possessions or whatnot. The path of self-realization is the most difficult. It is taken only when other avenues to a sense of worth are more or less blocked. Men of talent have to be encouraged and goaded to engage in creative work. Their groans and laments echo through the ages."

"Action is a high road to self-confidence and esteem. Where it is open, all energies flow toward it. It comes readily to most people and its rewards are tangible. The cultivation of the spirit is elusive and difficult and the tendency toward it is rarely spontaneous, whereas, the opportunities for action are many."

"The propensity to action is symptomatic of an inner unbalance. To be balanced is to be more or less at rest. Action is at the bottom-a swinging flailing of the arms to regain one's balance and keep afloat. And if it is true, as Napolean wrote to Carnot, "The art of government is not to let men grow stale," then, it is an art of unbalancing. The crucial difference between a totalitarian regime and a free social order is, perhaps, in the methods of unbalancing by which their people are kept active and striving."

"We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. Yet, it sometimes seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its own talents as well."

"The times of drastic change are times of passions. We can never be fit and ready for that which is wholly new. We have to adjust ourselves and every radical adjustment is a crisis in self-esteem: we undergo a test; we have to prove ourselves. A population subjected to drastic change is, thus, a population of misfits, and misfits live and breath in an atmosphere of passion."

"That we pursue something passionately does not always mean that we really want it or have a special aptitude for it. Often, the thing we pursue most passionately is but a substitute for the one thing we really want and cannot have. It is usually safe to predict that the fulfillment of an excessively cherished desire is not likely to still our nagging anxiety. In every passionate pursuit, the pursuit counts more than the object pursued."

"Our sense of power is more vivid when we break a man's spirit than when we win his heart, for we can win a man's heart one day and lose it the next. But when we break a proud spirit, we achieve something that is final and absolute."

"It is compassion rather than the principle of justice which can guard us against being unjust to our fellow men."

"It is doubtful whether there is such a thing as impulsive or natural tolerance. Tolerance requires an effort of thought and self-control. Acts of kindness, too, are rarely without deliberation and "thoughtfulness." Thus, it seems that some artificiality, some posing and pretense, is inseparable from any act or attitude which involves a limitation of our appetites and selfishness. We ought to beware of people who do not think it necessary to pretend they are good and decent. Lack of hypocrisy in such things hints at a capacity for a more depraved ruthlessness. Pretense is often an indispensable step in the attainment of genuineness. It is a form into which genuine inclinations flow and solidify."

"The control of our being is not unlike the combination of a safe. One turn of the knob rarely unlocks the safe; each advance and retreat is a step toward one's final achievement."

Tao of Jeet Kune Do -Bruce Lee




Being awake usually entails being aware that you are 100% in control of your own life. Taking responsibility for your own state of being and own life, no one else is responsible.

Action/compassion cannot be wanted, it will happen when needed/ready

Self-transformation cannot be wanted either it seems, at least in my case

It seems to be subconscious to some level... meditate, let the meditation define my lifestyle
who I become and what happens I will accept it, for this is how I am

Let the self evolve, see things as they are

You can still discuss what is important to you though: compassion, action, freedom of thought, mindfulness, moderation

I agree though, you will probably have some idea of "who am I"
the one who doesn't think about everything, the one who doesn't take everything so seriously
sounds like me :-)
but I don't need to define, just be


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Re: self inquiry.. [Re: lessismore]
    #19531862 - 02/06/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I thought I could drink the water from the mountain stream
though I was shitting my brains out for a week



:hehehe:


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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