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Offlineergot
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Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]?
    #1950614 - 09/25/03 10:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hello,

I have a couple questions...

First, I am a poor psychonaut and am curious whether to invest money in some seeds of HBWR (very cheap) or spend my money on a growing project of Psilocybes? Does the LSA trip even compare to a psilo[cin,cybin] one?

Also, I am curious about the way LSA is compared to LSD potency by about a 5%-10% margin. Does this mean I would just need to consume about 90%-95% as much LSA in gram value as LSD to get the same effects, or is there an upper limit on the trip that LSA provides that will only reach 5%-10% the power of LSD?

Thanks,

ergot


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: ergot]
    #1950686 - 09/25/03 11:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

4-8 seeds. There is a complete [paper on the Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds at nans nook by mjshroomer 32 pages posted with images. in the journals Tales of the Shroom section

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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: ergot]
    #1950693 - 09/25/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

First, I am a poor psychonaut and am curious whether to invest money in some seeds of HBWR (very cheap) or spend my money on a growing project of Psilocybes? Does the LSA trip even compare to a psilo[cin,cybin] one?




They are comparable, although HWBR is less visual and I suppose you could say less intense. As for whther to invest in seed or a growing project... why not do both?

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Also, I am curious about the way LSA is compared to LSD potency by about a 5%-10% margin. Does this mean I would just need to consume about 90%-95% as much LSA in gram value as LSD to get the same effects, or is there an upper limit on the trip that LSA provides that will only reach 5%-10% the power of LSD?




Go here , LOL in gram value....
use the link and read im sure you'll find it interesting






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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1950695 - 09/25/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

*coughHBWRcoughcoughCRAPcoughcough*

Spend the money on a nice new hat. Forget about all this drug takin' and head wreckin' and do somethin' constructive for your community. Paint a wall. Help old ladies across the street. Pick up litter. Give somethin' back to your people.


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: SummerBreeze]
    #1950750 - 09/25/03 12:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SummerBreeze said:
*coughHBWRcoughcoughCRAPcoughcough*

Spend the money on a nice new hat. Forget about all this drug takin' and head wreckin' and do somethin' constructive for your community. Paint a wall. Help old ladies across the street. Pick up litter. Give somethin' back to your people. 






Well, you mister, can just mail your 70 mushrooms to me since you feel that way.

:blush:..... :tongue: 


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: sirreal]
    #1950761 - 09/25/03 12:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well.........


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: SummerBreeze]
    #1950765 - 09/25/03 12:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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SummerBreeze said:
Well......... 






What are you waiting for? My address. :lol: 


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: sirreal]
    #1950775 - 09/25/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

.......no.

Helpin' old ladies across the road. Bonus for self=you can blag her 'scription from her no doubt unsecured and trustin' handbag.

Pantin' a fence. Bonus for self=Some housewife gettin' her kit off in an afternoon frenzy of janitor sex and you've got a front side seat.

Pickin' up litter. Bonus to self=Nice clean streets.

Buyin' a nice new hat. Bonus to self=Well, hats, there great aren't they?


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: SummerBreeze]
    #1950782 - 09/25/03 12:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SummerBreeze said:
.......no.

Helpin' old ladies across the road. Bonus for self=you can blag her 'scription from her no doubt unsecured and trustin' handbag.

Pantin' a fence. Bonus for self=Some housewife gettin' her kit off in an afternoon frenzy of janitor sex and you've got a front side seat.

Pickin' up litter. Bonus to self=Nice clean streets.

Buyin' a nice new hat. Bonus to self=Well, hats, there great aren't they? 





:thumbup: 


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: SummerBreeze]
    #1950783 - 09/25/03 12:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SummerBreeze said:
.......no.

Helpin' old ladies across the road. Bonus for self=you can blag her 'scription from her no doubt unsecured and trustin' handbag.

Pantin' a fence. Bonus for self=Some housewife gettin' her kit off in an afternoon frenzy of janitor sex and you've got a front side seat.

Pickin' up litter. Bonus to self=Nice clean streets.

Buyin' a nice new hat. Bonus to self=Well, hats, there great aren't they? 





:thumbup: 


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: sirreal]
    #1950789 - 09/25/03 12:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It deserves a double thumbs up? Sure, my day just got a little better!*shucks*


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1950862 - 09/25/03 01:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well, where is "nans nook"? I am very interested in reading the entire writing.

Thanks,

ergot


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: ergot]
    #1950870 - 09/25/03 01:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"Nans nook"?
Whats that? A Bar?


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: SummerBreeze]
    #1950903 - 09/25/03 01:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I finally found the article.

But, can any one tell me whether LSA or psilo[cin,cybin] is more potent?

-ergot


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: ergot]
    #1950923 - 09/25/03 01:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Personaly speakin', this is just me, like, my own experience. Stick to 'shrooms, much, much better.


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: ergot]
    #1950931 - 09/25/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well from personal experience after taking 11 seeds, don't tell me lsa isn't viusal!!  :eek:  The problem with taking high doses of hbwr seeds is that they cause a lot of nausea and body pains from them, because they are poisonous, although there's way to reduce the side effects.  But they can still be worth the trip.  As far as comparing them, I'd say it's much easier to take higher doses of shrooms than seeds.  However, growing them is a trial and error process that can cause a new grower a lot of headaches and heartaches, as well as around 100 dollar investment if you don't got the materials.  If you just want to trip, I'd say get some seeds and try them out.  If you want to grow shrooms, as this site is a testament to, it's not  impossible, it just takes time, effort, and lots and lots of patience and dedication to the hobby. 

To sum it up: If you just want to trip a few times for the heck of it and don't want to wait a month or more to do so, just get the seeds.  Otherwise get prepared to enter the world of mycology!

PS: Comparing potency is kind of moot.  If you take enough of either the end results will be the same: Pretty visuals, lucid thinking, and if enough of either is taking, you drooling on the floor, lost in the world of psychedelics.  :grin: 


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: biglo]
    #1951175 - 09/25/03 03:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well, let's say I have -pure- LSA (not any rough extraction, but outright powdered form of 100% alkaloid)... will its effects be just like LSD, or will there still be more bodyload and pain?

-ergot


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: ergot]
    #1951218 - 09/25/03 03:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

LSA and LSD are more different than similar. Do not expect LSDesque psychoactivity.


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: Xochitl]
    #1951442 - 09/25/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Buy the seeds and split them with some friends with an added convenience charge. Then invest in a grow setup.


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Re: Yet another HBWR thread... LSA or Psilo[cin,cybin]? [Re: StrongBad]
    #4919656 - 11/10/05 09:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Read a very interesting article on Erowid.

Mentioned sublinguily (holding in your mouth not consuming) taking 1.5x your normal dose (for the non math inclined if you normally took 6 seed you would use 9) resulted in no sickness which made the trip more enjoyable. And also it appears most people who had bad trips took too many seeds 4-6 seems about the sweet spot. Or 6-9 sublinguilly.


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