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Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency?
#19496704 - 01/30/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I recently got a flush of mushrooms off a cake that was grown in harsh conditions. If it was a child I would have been arrested for child abuse!
This cake was a write off from the start because it got contaminated with trich at the bottom of the jar so I moved it far far away somewhere else and put it in a PMP still in the jar just to see what happened. It was extremely dry and cold, didn't get much FAE or attention as I didn't see it sometimes for a day or two and stayed in the dark most of the time. It's in a non climate controlled room and some nights got close to freezing. The Shrooms looked dry and cracked here and there but none the less grew to decent size and matured.
Is it safe to say no matter the conditions it was in to get to a mature fruit that it should be just as potent and viable as say another fruit grown in 100% perfect conditions? (Assuming genetics and everything else is the same)
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: funton]
#19496722 - 01/30/14 02:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Usually results in less potency but not always. They can handle cold better than hot but ya send em to me and ill try em for you lol
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: funton] 1
#19496729 - 01/30/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Potency is determined by the genetics of the fruit. Just rinse them gently and dry them out, then you can chomp down.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: GimpCollector]
#19496746 - 01/30/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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No because potency can be effected or affected idk im high but u get the point by enviroment or incorrect handling. Squeezing a fucking mushroom changes its psilocybin content. Google bra.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Notfromarkansas] 1
#19496761 - 01/30/14 02:30 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: cronicr]
#19496774 - 01/30/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol sorry but i still say my point is valid enviroment can influence potency.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Notfromarkansas]
#19496784 - 01/30/14 02:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Notfromarkansas said: Lol sorry but i still say my point is valid enviroment can influence potency.
OK, I respect your beliefs.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Notfromarkansas]
#19496794 - 01/30/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you dont believe me grow some shrooms in direct sunlight and tell me how potent they are.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Notfromarkansas]
#19496806 - 01/30/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Notfromarkansas said: If you dont believe me grow some shrooms in direct sunlight and tell me how potent they are.
Every tub I do is in fruited by the sun, no fake lighting just pure AZ sun.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Notfromarkansas]
#19496817 - 01/30/14 02:39 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Notfromarkansas said: If you dont believe me grow some shrooms in direct sunlight and tell me how potent they are.
Cubes grow in open pastures. Why would direct sunlight be harsh?
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Fungal growth]
#19496831 - 01/30/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fungal growth said:
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Notfromarkansas said: If you dont believe me grow some shrooms in direct sunlight and tell me how potent they are.
Cubes grow in open pastures. Why would direct sunlight be harsh?
It's not, so long as you maintain the correct environment so they don't crack and dry out before they mature.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: GimpCollector]
#19496860 - 01/30/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The cubes I've picked from my outdoor spot have been every bit as my indoor, sun lacking, ones. Maybe even a little more, my friend went absolutely bat shit off of 1.5 grams, in a good way. Haha.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19496869 - 01/30/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: The cubes I've picked from my outdoor spot have been every bit as my indoor, sun lacking, ones. Maybe even a little more, my friend went absolutely bat shit off of 1.5 grams, in a good way. Haha.
I wish I could go bat shit on 1.5g!!!!
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: GimpCollector]
#19496875 - 01/30/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can! just eat cyans
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: cronicr]
#19496916 - 01/30/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha. Me too, it was her first time and she's like 5 feet tall so that could have had a lot to do with it. She spoke with a British accent and called herself queen the entire night. We were sober, and it was hilarious. We were her peasants, she actually called us that, and any inanimate object was also alive to her. Hahaha. She wouldn't drink a glass of orange juice because she was separating it from it's mother, the orange gallon jug. Hahaha. So funny. Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic. The point being that outdoor picked mushrooms, in full sunlight, are just as potent as the ones we baby indoors.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: cronicr]
#19496980 - 01/30/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: you can! just eat cyans;)
That's on my next list of things to do. I've grown my cubes for the year. Now focusing on my Peruvian Torch seedlings. When I start growing again they will be Pan Cyans.
Potency will be determined by the genetics. Mishandling of the fruit smashing it, storing them improperly will degrade the potency.
Smashing the fruit will cause breakage of the fruit body, exposing the fruit to be oxidized thus severely degrading potency. You want strong boomers, isolate boomers and propagate their genetics.
Taking care of your fruiting conditions and your substrate will result in beautiful flushes.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: GimpCollector]
#19497068 - 01/30/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The misinformation is too painful. Bruising only shows degradation of phenylalkaloids, oxidation will degrade potency but it won't be instant. A lot of growers will cut large shrooms before going into the dehydrator. Psilocybin isn't some magical creature that runs away when released from the stem or if it's too cold or hot.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497096 - 01/30/14 03:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: The misinformation is too painful. Bruising only shows degradation of phenylalkaloids, oxidation will degrade potency but it won't be instant. A lot of growers will cut large shrooms before going into the dehydrator. Psilocybin isn't some magical creature that runs away when released from the stem or if it's too cold or hot.
I was referencing dude talking about smashing the boomer up, and improperly STORING. No one said anything about the Psilocybin being assholes and elbows out the door once cut. No one wrote that, but you read that. Pretty sure all the cultivators here KNOW that.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: GimpCollector]
#19497129 - 01/30/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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GimpCollector said:
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tbagtag said: The misinformation is too painful. Bruising only shows degradation of phenylalkaloids, oxidation will degrade potency but it won't be instant. A lot of growers will cut large shrooms before going into the dehydrator. Psilocybin isn't some magical creature that runs away when released from the stem or if it's too cold or hot.
I was referencing dude talking about smashing the boomer up, and improperly STORING. No one said anything about the Psilocybin being assholes and elbows out the door once cut. No one wrote that, but you read that. Pretty sure all the cultivators here KNOW that.
Ease up killer, youre just the last person that posted. Next time I post something on this board I'll run it past you to make sure the post is up to your standards.
My bad for summarizing the people asking to google the damn thing, people talking about how sunlight v natural light and other sorts of crap in this thread.
You sir are the Shroomery genius im shocked you're not a mod or a TC yet....idiot
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497160 - 01/30/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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tbagtag said:
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GimpCollector said:
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tbagtag said: The misinformation is too painful. Bruising only shows degradation of phenylalkaloids, oxidation will degrade potency but it won't be instant. A lot of growers will cut large shrooms before going into the dehydrator. Psilocybin isn't some magical creature that runs away when released from the stem or if it's too cold or hot.
I was referencing dude talking about smashing the boomer up, and improperly STORING. No one said anything about the Psilocybin being assholes and elbows out the door once cut. No one wrote that, but you read that. Pretty sure all the cultivators here KNOW that.
Ease up killer, youre just the last person that posted. Next time I post something on this board I'll run it past you to make sure the post is up to your standards.
My bad for summarizing the people asking to google the damn thing, people talking about how sunlight v natural light and other sorts of crap in this thread.
You sir are the Shroomery genius im shocked you're not a mod or a TC yet....idiot
LOL, I am an idiot.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: GimpCollector]
#19497205 - 01/30/14 03:42 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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GimpCollector said:
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tbagtag said:
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GimpCollector said:
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tbagtag said: The misinformation is too painful. Bruising only shows degradation of phenylalkaloids, oxidation will degrade potency but it won't be instant. A lot of growers will cut large shrooms before going into the dehydrator. Psilocybin isn't some magical creature that runs away when released from the stem or if it's too cold or hot.
I was referencing dude talking about smashing the boomer up, and improperly STORING. No one said anything about the Psilocybin being assholes and elbows out the door once cut. No one wrote that, but you read that. Pretty sure all the cultivators here KNOW that.
Ease up killer, youre just the last person that posted. Next time I post something on this board I'll run it past you to make sure the post is up to your standards.
My bad for summarizing the people asking to google the damn thing, people talking about how sunlight v natural light and other sorts of crap in this thread.
You sir are the Shroomery genius im shocked you're not a mod or a TC yet....idiot
LOL, I am an idiot.
We all are at times, its being able to admit that measures character. If anything I was re-enforcing what you've been saying through this whole thread. As far as smashing goes I make teabags weeks in advance in my food processor and chocolate bars. Never had an issue with potency loss. The worst I've ever had was a little more of an upset stomach than usual from a batch I loved and stored for 4-5 months.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497246 - 01/30/14 03:51 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey tbag, how goes shit!
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497252 - 01/30/14 03:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Second person that makes chocolate with their boomers. Maybe I ran across your post that I read it in. I love chocolate like a fat kid loves cake, I'm gonna have to try it.
I'm not one for caring about Potency loss. I have boomers just laying around drying in pretty much every room and tend to forget about them sometimes, and when I run across them, I accidentally on purpose eat them and next thing I know I have my brain on the carpet batting it around like a kitten and a ball of yarn.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: cronicr]
#19497268 - 01/30/14 03:56 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: hey tbag, how goes shit!
It goes, ive been stroking it to your APE grow. I got a vial of APE spores from someone on here but I lost it during my travels/move. Looking forward to hitting your country pretty soon.
@Gimp - possibly, if you like chocolate get some good candy molds and decent chocolate. The first time i did it I used bark chocolate - nastiest shit ever!
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497285 - 01/30/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey dude
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Stromrider]
#19497293 - 01/30/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sup Strom! I still have a package for you and some spores! lol
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Notfromarkansas]
#19497378 - 01/30/14 04:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Notfromarkansas said: Lol sorry but i still say my point is valid enviroment can influence potency.
Sometimes.
I've not found cold or hot to affect potency, but they do make the fruits denser if grown in cool temps.
The only direct influence on potency I've found is mushrooms grown without sufficient light are low or non-potent. RR
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497397 - 01/30/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: Sup Strom! I still have a package for you and some spores! lol
Well I'm waiting!
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19497399 - 01/30/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Notfromarkansas said: Lol sorry but i still say my point is valid enviroment can influence potency.
Sometimes.
I've not found cold or hot to affect potency, but they do make the fruits denser if grown in cool temps.
The only direct influence on potency I've found is mushrooms grown without sufficient light are low or non-potent. RR
Well I'm glad I just bought a 6500k cfl, but oh god, don't let Anne hear that. Then she'll go attributing her alleged 5 times as potent mushrooms to her blue lights. Haha.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19497415 - 01/30/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushrooms don't want blue light. They want bright white light, ie daylight. It's often referred to as 'blue' because it's at the upper end of the spectrum. However, it's not blue to our eyes.
Disregard trolls, don't feed them. We've got a neat little tool where we can make it so one can post and see their posts, but nobody else can. I might have to bring that out soon as sort of a universal ignore button.  RR
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497422 - 01/30/14 04:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: Sup Strom! I still have a package for you and some spores! lol
I'm imposing a fine of spores for hijacking my thread!
Edited by funton (01/30/14 04:23 PM)
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: funton]
#19497461 - 01/30/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms don't want blue light. They want bright white light, ie daylight. It's often referred to as 'blue' because it's at the upper end of the spectrum. However, it's not blue to our eyes.
Disregard trolls, don't feed them. We've got a neat little tool where we can make it so one can post and see their posts, but nobody else can. I might have to bring that out soon as sort of a universal ignore button.  RR
I always assumed so, but I believe Anne's lights are visibly blue.  And when you say nobody else can see them do you mean that Anne would post and no one on all of the shroomery would be able to see her?!? Like if everyone ignored her! That wood drive her crazy!
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19497474 - 01/30/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: Sup Strom! I still have a package for you and some spores! lol
I'm imposing a fine of spores for hijacking my thread!
Sorry this isn't your thread anymore....
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Notfromarkansas said: Lol sorry but i still say my point is valid enviroment can influence potency.
Sometimes.
I've not found cold or hot to affect potency, but they do make the fruits denser if grown in cool temps.
The only direct influence on potency I've found is mushrooms grown without sufficient light are low or non-potent. RR
I don't mean to sound like a doubting Thomas, but how could that be measured without lab equipment? I know theirs other factors in regards to potency but without measuring the actual active percentages wouldn't this just be subjective to the user?
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497502 - 01/30/14 04:42 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't mean to sound like a doubting Thomas, but how could that be measured without lab equipment? I know theirs other factors in regards to potency but without measuring the actual active percentages wouldn't this just be subjective to the user?
If you have a full monotub it would be fairly easy to get an objective opinion over a period of time. A bioassay would of course always be better, but a group of friends is a good second.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19497522 - 01/30/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't mean to sound like a doubting Thomas, but how could that be measured without lab equipment? I know theirs other factors in regards to potency but without measuring the actual active percentages wouldn't this just be subjective to the user?
If you have a full monotub it would be fairly easy to get an objective opinion over a period of time. A bioassay would of course always be better, but a group of friends is a good second.
Yes but psychedelics are subjective to the user. Theres been times where my girl and i ate the same amount and im in outerspace and shes just antsy and vice versa.
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: tbagtag]
#19497618 - 01/30/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't mean to sound like a doubting Thomas, but how could that be measured without lab equipment? I know theirs other factors in regards to potency but without measuring the actual active percentages wouldn't this just be subjective to the user?
If you have a full monotub it would be fairly easy to get an objective opinion over a period of time. A bioassay would of course always be better, but a group of friends is a good second.
Yes but psychedelics are subjective to the user. Theres been times where my girl and i ate the same amount and im in outerspace and shes just antsy and vice versa.
Well of course, but you could get a general idea with a large group of people and several experiences. How did you do it rr?
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Re: Does a harsh environment have any effect on potency? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19497671 - 01/30/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms don't want blue light. They want bright white light, ie daylight. It's often referred to as 'blue' because it's at the upper end of the spectrum. However, it's not blue to our eyes.
Disregard trolls, don't feed them. We've got a neat little tool where we can make it so one can post and see their posts, but nobody else can. I might have to bring that out soon as sort of a universal ignore button.  RR
LOL, shit no one would hear me then..
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