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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19461236 - 01/23/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So I absolutely failed at making some new starter from my tempeh grow. I took one of my containers out of the incubator and then put it on the counter expecting it to finish and go grey. What it actually did was go yellow and get very stinky, not a good stink either.

Should I have left it in the incubator until it went grey?




Yes, don't take it out of the incubator, just leave a portion of it uncovered.




Ok thanks, going to try again this weekend.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: lipa]
    #19461436 - 01/23/14 08:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That sounds like a good mix. I usually use chickpeas and rice regularly in mine. I will try it next time.




My partner just asked me about using rice; maybe ill give this a try too :cool:


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
    #19464004 - 01/23/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I know; but i was wondering if it was black quinoa or something because i have wanted to try chickpea + black quinoa.




Red quinoa :smile:

I cooked it per normal directions, which was an accident. Be sure to cook it a bit less and dry it out super well.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19469897 - 01/24/14 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The first day I ate my tempeh, I was in a rush to get dinner started after jiujitsu so I cut it up and tossed it in a pan, where I only let 1 side fry, before I jumped in the shower. I totally forgot to wash my hands.

The next day I vomited for 4 hours then fell back asleep for 16. Woke up feeling fine.

That... probably wasn't the tempeh, just my nasty hands... right?


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19470236 - 01/25/14 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmmmm. I think you were made sick by something else. Or it was all rotten.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Ganzig]
    #19470532 - 01/25/14 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did the tempeh smell bad?  I've eaten week old tempeh without getting sick.  I'm going to guess you got food poisoning from not cooking it thoroughly after touching it with dirty hands.

Either that or maybe allergy?


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19473473 - 01/25/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I just smelt it and it's a bit sweet. I'm used to store bought tempeh having almost no oder, and the tempeh I made years ago having a very mild nutty/mushroom oder.

The sweet smell is a little bit like the apple cider vinegar I used.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19474228 - 01/25/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Sweet is fine. It has a nutty taste, but the odor has always been unique.  It doesn't smell like mushrooms at all to me, it smells sweet and slightly like socks.  Sounds to me like your tempeh was fine.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19475186 - 01/26/14 04:15 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

interesting thread, ill deff be watching


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: afk77]
    #19475213 - 01/26/14 04:32 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

i'm waiting with making the tempeh till i fixed my incubator problems... :frown:
on the inside moisture condensates where the lid/door closes the ''freezer'', and after a while that moisture becomes mold...


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19475620 - 01/26/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I just smelt it and it's a bit sweet. I'm used to store bought tempeh having almost no oder, and the tempeh I made years ago having a very mild nutty/mushroom oder.

The sweet smell is a little bit like the apple cider vinegar I used.




I dont like using Apple cider vinegar; its changes the flavor of your tempeh; and if you use brags, possibly introduces other biological contaminants.  I used cheap white vinegar.  Also i add the vinegar to the boiling h2o (as most tempeh production facilities do), not directly to the beans after straining. I found this method gives less of that acidic smell/flavor. Got a batch of garbanzo + toasted sesame + flax meal that should be ready in a few hours :cookiemonster:  I finally turned my oven into an incubator/oven and now have as much room as i need; i can fit 20-30lbs in there, if i wanted to.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
    #19482405 - 01/27/14 05:13 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

So here is something you do not want to do :

Make your own starter by taking a piece of tempeh (yes the one you buy to eat) and mixing it with rice flour then mixing with soy beans then getting awesome looking tempeh, then letting it get grey black and putting it in the fridge then mixing it in the mixer without even mixing it with anything to make it less mushy mix that quickly with soy beans and incubate : you will get a damn ugly problem and smell and throw it all away.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
    #19484943 - 01/28/14 06:27 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Another noobie question. Once my brick of tempeh goes grey, do I use the whole thing to make starter, or just the top quarter inch?  How many hours, after tempeh is solid white, before it will be grey/black enough to use for starter, roughly?

Thanks!


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Culland]
    #19485364 - 01/28/14 09:29 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Once it's gray I slice it thin and dry it out, the whole piece.  Then I powder it in a food processor and mix with rice flour.

After your block is solid white, remove some of the cover and wait another 6-12 hours

It being black doesn't really affect taste


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19491874 - 01/29/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Well I screwed it up again, didnt spore out. Even in the incubator it just more or less rotted. After over 24 hours it smells bad and never went grey at all, just yellowish.

I made this batch of tempeh in a ziplock bag poked with holes. Worked great, much better than my first time.

I removed half for eating, then cut the bag open down one side and propped it open, but otherwise left it in the bag.

It just doesn't go grey and I am not sure why. My random guess is too much moisture? After the block turns white there is condensation on the bag.

Perhaps my thermometer is not very good and it is incubating at a slightly lower temperature? How low would it have to be for it to not spore out?

I only have enough starter for one more batch, so a few suggestions would be great.

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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Culland]
    #19492314 - 01/29/14 04:42 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I've tried in a plastic bag before and it didn't work out for me.  Glass casserole dish does it for me, cover in foil with holes poked.  Then to sporulate I remove the foil but leave in the incubator til it's gray.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Culland]
    #19493804 - 01/29/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Maybe your starter is of a sporeless strain?
I have read that some tempeh's are made not to sporulate.

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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Group]
    #19494697 - 01/30/14 01:45 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

It's not a scoreless strain, I sent it to him


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19495043 - 01/30/14 05:14 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

the cloning of tempeh worked!

in front of the hood i did the same as cloning a mushroom; tear it open, take tissue with clen scalpel, transfer to sterilised rye, incubate at 21 C / 70 F . after two days it has grown quite a bit, and the mycelium in both jars is the same so i'm quite positive it's not a contaminant ^_^

i don't have a better cam at the moment:



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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
    #19495590 - 01/30/14 09:34 AM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Nice! That jars would be solid white if you would have incubated at 85 tho, it loves the heat!


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