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Jake727
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Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll
#19488408 - 01/28/14 08:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does spawning 2 BRF cakes in coir and vermiculite in a larger container yield more than just using the dunk and roll method? I'm new to this but i would assume since there would be more colonized mycelium over a larger surface area, wouldn't that produce a greater yield assuming that proper nutrients were available?
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GimpCollector
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488415 - 01/28/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've done both in the past. You may get a couple more, but nothing to write home about. Cakes only can sustain a certain amount of nutes for boomers.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488419 - 01/28/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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nuthing super to say the least but i'd say it does a little
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: cronicr]
#19488453 - 01/28/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I've done both as well. I think if your clean enough that mixing with coir performs slightly better. But if your still learning it would be easier to just fruit the cakes.
Its not going to double your yield or anything if that's what your thinking.
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Jake727
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: MaJiK_420]
#19488510 - 01/28/14 08:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks! any suggestions for maybe somehow getting larger yields off of BRF cakes? I'm using B+ and if I'm right they have rather large yields?
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cronicr



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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488521 - 01/28/14 08:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, there cubes which all have the same capability, just spawn them and give them proper fruiting conditions
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GimpCollector
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488532 - 01/28/14 08:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can't say I know of any teks that will turn your BRF cakes into super bulk yeilding sub. Pressure cooker should be your next thought if you want some yield.
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Jake727
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: GimpCollector]
#19488551 - 01/28/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is there anything that is as easy to grow as cubes and yields anymore with the same if not more potency?
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cronicr



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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488575 - 01/28/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, just grow some cubes and quit dreaming lol, one step at a time bro
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: cronicr]
#19488682 - 01/28/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah. You want some jaw dropping results just go bulk.
After my first mono tub I fell in love. A tub full of mushrooms. Just follow franks teks or read up on WBS. I know it might seem a little daunting/intimidating to switch from cakes to bulk, but its really not that big of a deal. Well, gotta have a Pressure Cooker, but I got away with Fractional Sterilization for my first bulk grow, and it turned out magnificently.
Pf cakes are just meant to catch your interest; its like the prerequisite course for bulk lol. Bulk gets you higher yield.
I even started with B+ from cakes to bulk, its a good hearty strain that wont let you down. My best boomers were B+.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488711 - 01/28/14 09:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jake727 said: Does spawning 2 BRF cakes in coir and vermiculite in a larger container yield more than just using the dunk and roll method?
Yes.
The coir and verm are both extra food for the fungi. Thus, you still have the nutrition of the 2 brf cakes, plus the added benefit of the extra food from the coir/verm. In addition, by definition there will be more mycelium, thus potential for more fruits.
The drawback is you wait an extra two weeks for your harvest compared to fruiting the cakes as cakes. It also adds an extra step or two to screw up. If it's your first grow, I'd suggest dunk and roll and place in a shotgun terrarium. RR
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Jake727
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19488922 - 01/28/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn't mind the two weeks, but how much more prone to contamination would doing this be? just for future reference. Since it's my first grow i'll probably stick to the dunk and roll but what is a shotgun terrarium? sorry for the newb questions lol
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GimpCollector
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19488931 - 01/28/14 10:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's what you will fruit your cakes in once they are 100% colonized. Do a quick search on SGFC construction.
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cronicr



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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: GimpCollector]
#19488945 - 01/28/14 10:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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no it's not, it's what you would fruit your cakes in one week AFTER there 100%
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GimpCollector
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: cronicr]
#19488990 - 01/28/14 10:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: no it's not, it's what you would fruit your cakes in one week AFTER there 100%
yes, yes, yes sir I must have completely forgot that  Should I grow it for OP as well? LOL.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: GimpCollector]
#19489022 - 01/28/14 10:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
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GimpCollector
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: cronicr]
#19489030 - 01/28/14 10:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Only if OP has a hot sister, or mom...or both. Save a horse, ride a gimp.
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Jake727
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: GimpCollector]
#19489046 - 01/28/14 10:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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One more quick question, about how much (estimate) could i expect to be yielded from 6 1/2 pint BRF cakes of B+ from the dunk and roll method if done correctly? (dry grams)
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: GimpCollector]
#19489054 - 01/28/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Something else to consider for a Shotgun, if your only fruiting two cakes, that's a lot of empty space in a traditional SGFC which would be sized to handle a dozen or more cakes. The FC performs better when it is near max capacity; the more dead space means more effort required to maintain humidity.
With only 2 cakes I'd suggest a smaller SGFC. Maybe some plastic container you have laying around? Think 'recycle' lol. Or 1 in each 2 liter soda bottle, with some perlite at the bottom.
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Jake727
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: MaJiK_420]
#19489068 - 01/28/14 10:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh no I'm using either 6 or 8 (whichever i have room for) i only said 2 cakes because i wanted to know if that would be enough for the mycelium to successfully grow in a larger container
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19489079 - 01/28/14 10:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jake727 said: One more quick question, about how much (estimate) could i expect to be yielded from 6 1/2 pint BRF cakes of B+ from the dunk and roll method if done correctly? (dry grams)
Hard to say with genetics and different environmental factors, especially if this is your first time or your still learning. I'm sure someone could give you an estimate, but better not to get your hopes up. Best case scenario you might get like a half-oh, depending on if you can flush your cakes several times. but you might end up with only a few grams if you can't get conditions right.
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19489105 - 01/28/14 10:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jake727 said: oh no I'm using either 6 or 8 (whichever i have room for) i only said 2 cakes because i wanted to know if that would be enough for the mycelium to successfully grow in a larger container
Oh thats fine then. Still keep in mind keeping the FC somewhat proportional to the cakes.
Spawning cakes is a little different than spawning regular bulk. I have used one cake to straight coir at about 1:1 ratio and it did fine. When your spawning its more about the ratio of spawn to substrate. So if you were spawning 2 cakes, you would probably not want to use much more than 1 pint of coir/verm, just to keep your ratio at about 1:1, which will keep colonization times fast and prevent contamination.
Edited by MaJiK_420 (01/28/14 10:51 PM)
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Jake727
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: MaJiK_420]
#19489954 - 01/29/14 05:47 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well how much harder would growing grain in bulk actually be? For a first timer is it a significant challenge?
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Jake727]
#19490053 - 01/29/14 06:54 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why are you worried about how much your going to get? And this question has been asked 100's of times before you. It seems like you were to lazy to even look around. If your trying to get the most out of your shit then Read, Read, Read, Learn, then administer and repeat. There are no shortcuts in this hobby(for some reason nubes want to grow the most their 1st time.) Most likely you'll only get 2-8 grams dried of each cake, 8 is very optimistic. So just chill and have patience. GL
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Re: Spawning BRF cakes to coir vs dunk and roll [Re: Kalsticky]
#19490094 - 01/29/14 07:13 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Take a look at using popcorn to make the transition into bulk. That's what I'm doing now and it's making for a really easy transition.
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