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fuel pellets good to use?
    #18871858 - 09/21/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

went to the local menards got me some fuel pellets, wondering if theyre ok for mushroom use :/ as some of the warnings have me concerned.



also, found some pre chopped straw for $7. figured w/ it being chopped it was a good buy.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: bjanuszewski]
    #18871984 - 09/21/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

From the BTU rating I would say they are hardwood.  What do they smell like?
Hard or soft will grow mushrooms.  I don't like to run straight soft wood for most things though.  Hard wood fuel pellets aren't available in my area so I end up buying smoker pellets.  A mix of the two works well and for me is more cost effective.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Jeff]
    #18874889 - 09/22/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have used those pellets before and they work fine.  They do vary in consistency from pallet to pallet though.  Also the not for human consumption bit is so that people dont east the actual pellet.  There is nothing toxic in those pellets, just heat extrusion is used.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Aleon]
    #18874918 - 09/22/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It should be fine.  I have been using 'Green Mountain Brand" for my yellow and pink oysters.  I asked the lady at the store for more information.  She directed me to the customer service line.  I found out it has no harmful additives(well duhh, you are supposed to cook with it lol) and their brand makeup is 70%oak, 20%...im blanking, and 10% maple.

I modified the tek below.  It works great, but the moisture content was too high, so I use 6cups pellets and 6 cups water.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14258160/page/1


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: bjanuszewski]
    #18874953 - 09/22/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

iv been using those pellets for a wile now.and just go some of that same straw. i think it was lows or manards that ad them labeled as hard wood on there web site. iv grown reishi and black poplar with it so far. good luck


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: maynard]
    #18874960 - 09/22/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I modified the tek below.  It works great, but the moisture content was too high, so I use 6cups pellets and 6 cups water.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14258160/page/1




That's a great tek, I use it for everything but I had to lower the water amount as well.  I'm even starting to work towards slightly less water than pellets.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Forrester]
    #18876294 - 09/22/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for feedback guys :thumbup:

w/ that tek for pasteurizing sawdust does it give as good of yields as sterilized sawdust w/ wheat bran & wood chips? i would guess no, but it seems a lot less time consuming and easier.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: skullphuxxx]
    #18876310 - 09/22/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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iv been using those pellets for a wile now.and just go some of that same straw. i think it was lows or manards that ad them labeled as hard wood on there web site. iv grown reishi and black poplar with it so far. good luck




How did the black poplar go on those pellets time & yield wise?


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Aleon]
    #18876918 - 09/22/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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iv been using those pellets for a wile now.and just go some of that same straw. i think it was lows or manards that ad them labeled as hard wood on there web site. iv grown reishi and black poplar with it so far. good luck




How did the black poplar go on those pellets time & yield wise?



50/50 pellets/elm chips. it only made it to 95% b4 the tinny spot on the very bottom got some kind of green mold.i am pretty sure i did not mix the sub good enough. twas my 2nd go with wbs.the plan was to put it out side to hopefully pop this fall well that plan fell through. so in the fridge it went till a week ago. not sure on yield yet but it does have 5 or so pins


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: skullphuxxx]
    #18879328 - 09/23/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

nice, black poplars are tasty


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: bjanuszewski]
    #19475335 - 01/26/14 05:39 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Am doing pellets my self  and  probable wrong  on how i  make my sawdust. Blocks. I take the pellets and cover  with 1 inch of water letting  them set  for 24 hours after which i drain them and steam  the sawdust  before adding my supplement to the sawdust.some of the  drain off I do use again. Hardwood is always the best tho i am starting to wonder. I steam so that I am sure no fungicide.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Saint]
    #19475375 - 01/26/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Am doing pellets my self  and  probable wrong  on how i  make my sawdust. Blocks. I take the pellets and cover  with 1 inch of water letting  them set  for 24 hours after which i drain them and steam  the sawdust  before adding my supplement to the sawdust.some of the  drain off I do use again. Hardwood is always the best tho i am starting to wonder. I steam so that I am sure no fungicide.




Lipa's pellet tek

Follow that tek, but don't supplement unless you plan to sterilize the entire substrate and spawn it in front of a flow hood.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Forrester]
    #19479823 - 01/27/14 01:33 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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Lipa's pellet tek

Follow that tek, but don't supplement unless you plan to sterilize the entire substrate and spawn it in front of a flow hood.





That would be a great Tek to follow. And i will make plans to use When i buy a flow hood to do grain spawn to  the sawdust. Even though I am doing Liquid syringe  from grain. As to make sure its has no contamination. I would like to know how much millet to add to my sawdust blocks "6 LB blocks"  everything is presser cooked. sealed with a injection port  to each bag. Spawn is made in a gain sawdust 50% 2 lbs sealed bag  injected  with 2 cups of water and with drawn to 20 ml syringe. and injected  to  sawdust block through injection port. 23 bags are being done per time.  i am  tiring to figure out the sawdust to grain amount to use. for my L/C.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Saint]
    #19480344 - 01/27/14 08:01 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I'm sorry I'm a little confused as to what exactly you're doing. :confused:

So you're basically doing a GLC?  Why would you have any sawdust in that at all, wouldn't just grain be what you want to make the GLC type of liquid culture?

You ask the sawdust to grain ratio, but didn't you already say it was going to be 50%?  Sorry I'm lost here maybe someone else has a better idea what you're trying to do.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Forrester]
    #19483136 - 01/27/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Go to lowes next time :smile:


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Forrester]
    #19483437 - 01/27/14 08:34 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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I'm sorry I'm a little confused as to what exactly you're doing. :confused:

So you're basically doing a GLC?  Why would you have any sawdust in that at all, wouldn't just grain be what you want to make the GLC type of liquid culture?

You ask the sawdust to grain ratio, but didn't you already say it was going to be 50%?  Sorry I'm lost here maybe someone else has a better idea what you're trying to do.



  Darn IT seams you  say you DON't  know anything  but have a answer on everything so here i thought i  take a moment and  do a few quotes to help you out  even though it off topic here. Fist i would like to  say conditioning lc for sawdust. what  do you think it means.  well some quote for  here.
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Once finished, a visual inspection would show which one preformed the best, growth wise. The LC will then be used to inoculate some grains (all under the same conditions) and compare growth times.





Neither of which is important.  What is important is how many mushrooms you can grow in a given time.  If that's your goal, then agar to grains to sawdust to outdoor beds will get best performance.
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This is where you and me disagree 100%, and I don't see how you say those steps are not important:rolleyes: Grains where I use this type of LC's always grow faster than agar wedges. Not having a flow hood, just shooting some LC through an injection port is much easier than messing with g2g or agar wedges in my glove box, and 100% faster. This is all about TIME, nothing more. If my grains colonize faster when using a wood sauce LC compared to something else, how is that not important? If one LC takes three weeks till I can draw a syringe and the wood sauce only takes 10 days, how is that not important?

I can see people getting confused, because my goal is not to grow as many mushrooms as I can in a short time. I'm simply trying to find a fast way to make mycelium that can be spread outside, and using a 5 gallon super soaker filled with wood sauce LC and spraying 10 acres of chips is a HELL of a lot faster than Agar, to grains, to substrate, to more substrate in a small 4'x4' bed that produces 50 fruits.

I'll put it this way, I'm simply trying to make a LC recipe that is very fast compared to any thing else. This LC will in turn be sprayed directly outside, skipping all the other steps you mentioned. From start to finish, it takes just under 4 weeks to go from spore to spraying LC outside, and only days after that to visually see growth. In one day I can cover over 40+ acres of mulch and wood chips with LC, and repeat as many times as I want. I don't know of anyone else or any other way that one can introduce that much mycelium, over that large of an area, in the same time.

Anything I can do to shorten the time it takes is a step forward in my eyes. Using nothing more than simply the wood sauce mixed with agar, I was able to cut germination times for Psilocybe bohemica from 9 days on a PDA or MEA to 3 days using the wood sauce agar. Results speak for themselves :shrug:



  So I am make a grain/wood conditioned LC so that the mycylum takes to the saw dust faster.  a 2 lb block of spawn  because i dont have a  flow hood ... But if you have a extra one to send me  for free  with filters, i will do the g2g  just to make you  happy so you stop saying your lost. If your lost and can post I go to LQ to  get some alcoholic drinks to watch my mushrooms grown that at least tell me something i  was asking about. Not being mean or anything but. Look for a answer to  what I am working with so i don't end up with mutton's
I am doing grain/wood master as  you do know you cannot see what is growing in a  jar of LC  it may  have contaminants. So  my master is just just energized with  some maltose Stylized of course... Don't ask me  for that quote  but it is talked about in  here too..
Now to get  to what i am have a problem  with  is my QUESTION. Steaming plus 120 min presser cooking everything. What do i need  for a ratio using wood pellets/millet??
  If you don't understand what i am doing  just move on to the  next top please stop telling me the same thing that your lost, As i am new to this board here and would like to get a  ratio to my problem.
My first shiitake  try will be up to 80  6 lb bags and i will do a write up. when i get my first fruit.
My bags have injection ports. hardwood pellets steamed and/ then PC. Supplement is gypsum, and millet ?? 100oz, 3 oz , 50 oz is that to much millet for a steamed block of pellets as the steam does  wash the sawdust.
My second is with wheat bran 8 oz to  100oz  and 3 oz of gypsum.
  everything is done use as in pause sealer, 20ml syringe, useing the heated needle  to soaked  sponge of alcohol. as i don't have a a flow hook as of yet to  do this. i use a baby bottle    as  my starting.
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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Saint]
    #19484102 - 01/27/14 11:09 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Ok I'm going to let the slightly rude comments slide because I think there's obviously a language barrier here, but listen - I'm just trying to help you, and was asking for clarification on what you wanted to know so that I could try and provide a better answer.  It's not necessary to be a smartass.

Anyway, so you're growing shiitake?  You only want to supplement shiitake 5% by weight, much more than that and you will get mutants.  So your final substrate should include no more than 5-10% millet (since your innoculating with LC instead of regular spawn)

As far as the wood pellet to millet ratio for your GLC?  50/50 is good. 

There you go, answers.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Forrester]
    #19484451 - 01/28/14 01:15 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Ok I'm going to let the slightly rude comments slide because I think there's obviously a language barrier here, but listen - I'm just trying to help you, and was asking for clarification on what you wanted to know so that I could try and provide a better answer.  It's not necessary to be a smartass.

Anyway, so you're growing shiitake?  You only want to supplement shiitake 5% by weight, much more than that and you will get mutants.  So your final substrate should include no more than 5-10% millet (since your innoculating with LC instead of regular spawn)

As far as the wood pellet to millet ratio for your GLC?  50/50 is good. 

There you go, answers.



thanks  for that good answer
that all i  need to know
and sorry for the smart-ass remark.


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Re: fuel pellets good to use? [Re: Saint]
    #19485078 - 01/28/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Good luck with your grow! :smile:

Let me know how it works out, I don't have a flow hood either so I like the idea of being able to inoculate bags with liquid culture.

One other thing, liquid culture can have trouble taking straight to sawdust so I would put the millet in like a pile right by the injection port.  Then the lc can grow on that first, and from it to the sawdust.  I've done it this way once before and it did work.


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