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SynapseLotus


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Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil??
#19484780 - 01/28/14 04:46 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wrapped the inside of my pressure cooker in aluminum foil, and then used micro-pore tape to seal the sides of my 8oz gladware rounds.
I DIDN'T WRAP THE ROUNDS IN ALUM FOIL...
I made holes and used micropore on the top for GE. Will the pressure cooker force air and water through the micropore tape?
Will not wrapping them (even though I wrapped the inside and bottom of the PC) move water inside the rounds, or cause any other problems?
I figure I covered myself by wrapping the edges in micropore tape to seal each round individually.
I didn't realize I didn't follow the tek for this part until after the PC was at full pressure and temp.
It's been in there 10 minutes. Do I take it off and wrap them, or leave it and realize that I'm just being too anal??
Cheers,
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Edited by SynapseLotus (02/14/14 02:05 AM)
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SynapseLotus


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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484788 - 01/28/14 04:52 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read some other posts and see that the foil is there to prevent large water droplets from entering. I guess my micropore tape would serve that purpose as long as it doesn't fall off (which the way I wrapped it has a very LOW possibility of happening).
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Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
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SynapseLotus


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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484807 - 01/28/14 05:08 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Was hoping for a quick answer with URGENT in the title.... I might as well say fuck it and see what happens at this point.
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magickspore



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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484808 - 01/28/14 05:08 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool it, wait for the pressure to drop. Remove them and wrap tops in tin foil. Its necessary otherwise water gets in and ruins the moisture content of what you're doing. It probably already has.
I believe the only exception is with the twist top zip lock containers.
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484811 - 01/28/14 05:11 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why on earth would you wrap the inside of a pressure cooker with foil?
The other stuff doesn't make sense. No, the pressure cooker won't force water, steam, or anything else into the jars. Never wrap a jar or other container fully with foil during sterilization. Why would you wrap the edges of the containers with tape? If you're worried about steam getting in, you should instead be worried about mold spores getting in later. RR
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magickspore



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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19484824 - 01/28/14 05:17 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Why on earth would you wrap the inside of a pressure cooker with foil?
The other stuff doesn't make sense. No, the pressure cooker won't force water, steam, or anything else into the jars. Never wrap a jar or other container fully with foil during sterilization. Why would you wrap the edges of the containers with tape? If you're worried about steam getting in, you should instead be worried about mold spores getting in later. RR
I totally ignored everything else. But yea OP remove all the tin foil and tape. I hope I said to only wrap the TOPS in my post, if not I will edit it.
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SynapseLotus


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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: magickspore]
#19484832 - 01/28/14 05:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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umm...
Ok, let me explain a bit.
RR: The plastic tek CALLS FOR wrapping them in foil (8 oz rounds Gladware).
Magickspore: They are the pop-off lid plastic containers, and to prevent moisture from getting inside and ruining the percentage of my exact mixture, I wrapped them well with micropore tape.
They are sealed all except for the fact that micropore-covered GE holes are on top (2x 1/4").
-------------------- See my shadow changing, Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Spongiform's Plastic Tek
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Stan Getz/Bill Evans Masterpiece
The most important video of this generation
NO CUT, PERFECT MONOTUB HOLES!
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SynapseLotus


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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484840 - 01/28/14 05:27 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, and to answer about wrapping the PC with foil, I read that wrapping with foil prevents the rounds from touching the sides of the pressure cooker. I just didn't want the metal to plastic contact to warp the lid or something. I'm not sure what temp PP melts at.
Using micropore tape also was a means of preventing the lids from popping off in the PC as some other users have had happen when following the plastic tek.
-------------------- See my shadow changing, Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Spongiform's Plastic Tek
My gift to the Shroomery
Stan Getz/Bill Evans Masterpiece
The most important video of this generation
NO CUT, PERFECT MONOTUB HOLES!
Edited by SynapseLotus (01/28/14 05:29 AM)
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484849 - 01/28/14 05:34 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Any idiot can make a post and call it a TEK. That appears to be what is happening here that got you so screwed up. I've long thought we should censor the word 'TEK' when noobs use it to post their less-than-bright ideas and act like they've been doing it successfully a long time.
Case in point: How on earth can the sides of the pressure cooker which are exposed to normal room temperature be hotter than the steam within? The idea that the sides would melt the container but the steam wouldn't should make you look elsewhere for growing instructions. FYI, steam isn't hot enough to melt pp5 containers even though they suck for mushroom growing. Use jars with proper filters. RR
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484853 - 01/28/14 05:36 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol micropore tape will still let water in. It will get soaked and mess up the moisture content. Again it probably already has.
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SynapseLotus


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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: magickspore]
#19484866 - 01/28/14 05:44 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I initially went for the traditional RR method, but glass jars are simply IMPOSSIBLE to get where I am (I have wasted days looking for them). I saw that many other users have been using the plastic tek successfully for 100+ jars without a single contamination. They also offer much faster colonization and the ability to shake after a few days, which is not quite as easy with jars, and it has no chance of ending with shards on the ground. It should also be stated that the plastic tek does not mention lining the PC with foil, I saw that somewhere else.
RR: What is the reason to not wrap something completely in foil during sterilization?
Also, the physics of the pc being hotter than the steam also made my brain do a backflip, but as this is my first grow and I have spent a month reading every post on here and having much trouble getting everything together, I wanted to be as anal as possible.
I built the most badass glovebox you have ever seen, pictures coming when I get the final fruits.
I am also looking forward to using RR's agar direction to clone my best and go onto a monotub for my second grow.
-------------------- See my shadow changing, Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Spongiform's Plastic Tek
My gift to the Shroomery
Stan Getz/Bill Evans Masterpiece
The most important video of this generation
NO CUT, PERFECT MONOTUB HOLES!
Edited by SynapseLotus (01/28/14 05:46 AM)
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19484892 - 01/28/14 06:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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but glass jars are simply IMPOSSIBLE to get where I am (I have wasted days looking for them).
Nonsense. You're in a major U.S. city. I guarantee I could fine glass mason jars within half an hour of your house at a dozen different stores. Boycott walmart and find a real store. I live an hour from the nearest town and it only has 600 population, but there's two or three different stores with Ball and Kerr mason jars. RR
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SynapseLotus


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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19484897 - 01/28/14 06:02 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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You see my IP address as in the US because I am hiding behind a proxy.
I am more than 3000 miles from that location, I assure you. Tomorrow my location will be somewhere else.
-------------------- See my shadow changing, Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Spongiform's Plastic Tek
My gift to the Shroomery
Stan Getz/Bill Evans Masterpiece
The most important video of this generation
NO CUT, PERFECT MONOTUB HOLES!
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19486856 - 01/28/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is there a reason the plastic tek calls for shaking? Is this just outdated info? I know you can't shake the verm if you use the RR method but which is the best overall using tyvek and shaking or just using the verm layer and leaving them alone?
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SynapseLotus


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Well, the gladware rounds don't like to sit perfectly flat and tend to fall over (especially if you stack them). due to this, I assume a verm layer has a certain probability to get screwed up.
The tek calls for shaking after around 4 days, simply to speed up myc growth. As I am using silicon injection ports and spore tape with a PC, I don't think the verm layer is necessary.
Looking again at the tek (which is the 'GLADWARE FTW' in my sig), perhaps they are not being completely wrapped in aluminum foil. It is just them sitting in the PC that makes it look that way and it is actually just the tops?
Well, they were pulled out of the PC and seem to be fine.
I did the injections in my GB and am now hoping for the best. We'll see what happens and when/if they get fully colonized I'll post images.
Cheers,
-------------------- See my shadow changing, Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Spongiform's Plastic Tek
My gift to the Shroomery
Stan Getz/Bill Evans Masterpiece
The most important video of this generation
NO CUT, PERFECT MONOTUB HOLES!
Edited by SynapseLotus (01/28/14 05:35 PM)
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19487219 - 01/28/14 04:59 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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glad they look okay
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SynapseLotus


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So,
RR: I did a second load, after removing the foil you thought was so ridiculous and guess what? I had 7 PP5 containers melted to the spacer plate. It looks like wrapping the PC in foil wasn't such a BAD idea after all huh?
Thanks, I wouldn't have taken it off if you weren't so adamant about its stupidity.


-------------------- See my shadow changing, Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor, hoping I can clear the way.
By stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow, 46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Spongiform's Plastic Tek
My gift to the Shroomery
Stan Getz/Bill Evans Masterpiece
The most important video of this generation
NO CUT, PERFECT MONOTUB HOLES!
Edited by SynapseLotus (01/29/14 03:38 AM)
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19489854 - 01/29/14 04:22 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Plastic Tek Without Aluminum Foil?? [Re: SynapseLotus]
#19489873 - 01/29/14 04:39 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
SynapseLotus said: So,
RR: I did a second load, after removing the foil you thought was so ridiculous and guess what? I had 7 PP5 containers melted to the spacer plate. It looks like wrapping the PC in foil wasn't such a BAD idea after all huh?
Thanks, I wouldn't have taken it off if you weren't so adamant about its stupidity.


the foil had nuthing to do with them melting
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u should use the pp5s from grocery stores, blue lids, screw on is thicker, snap on u will need to wrap in foil (but are not as large for grains, as u seem to be doing). u were using something like chinese soup take out containers, which are much thinner, and prone to melt.
pasty easy agar tek
wrap lid with foil, or with the tek, wrap the ENTIRE container with foil





but for grains, better results with the bigger container (small ones best for agar):




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