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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19483397 - 01/27/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

this thread,

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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19483411 - 01/27/14 08:27 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Rice flour might be easier to penetrate with heat.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Elston Gunn]
    #19483447 - 01/27/14 08:36 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Rice flour might be easier to penetrate with heat.



brown rice flour is easier to penetrate with heat, thats why the PF tek can get away without a PC, not just any rice brown rice. That has the bran layer which is what the mush mush wants.

Also rice,brown,penetration,heat... sounds like New Orleans


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19483454 - 01/27/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

hahahahaha that made me laugh so hard. Yeah roger rabbit said "Brown rice doesn't harbor bacterial endospores"


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Elston Gunn]
    #19483518 - 01/27/14 08:48 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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hahahahaha that made me laugh so hard. Yeah roger rabbit said "Brown rice doesn't harbor bacterial endospores"




it's a gross simplification but it's sort true. I assume endospores exist however there's lots of bacteria and perhaps there's some merit to the idea that the bacteria that effect the window we give mycelium for colonization are lower in rice, as well as having a harder time germinating in grains that are not whole, as well as grinding process destroying some % of the endospores, as well as the storage process. this is coupled along with the fact that the jars are smaller, the grain is already ground up, and the obvious heat transfer/penetration difference because of all these factors.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19484243 - 01/27/14 11:47 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Without going back and rereading I'm almost 100% certain you're wrong and here's why. None of the grains are anywhere near bursting after 10 minutes. Ten minutes doesn't even make a noticeable difference. Now I know that burst grains aren't ideal but having 5% or so of your total burst is about perfect hydration.

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i'm just twisting your nipples a bit



You should've complimented his eyes and bought him a drink first.



God damn right. What's wrong with you? Are you some kind of fag? My eyes are certainly complimentable.



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i quit, keep simmering for 45-60 minutes but quit bitching when it doesn't work, myself and pretty well everyone else who followed the teks have only done it 1000's of times but no sweat, you got this right? were all just dumb noobs:rolleyes: good luck


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
    #19485370 - 01/28/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

The next facepalm is on me.

  • http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10949606/fpart/1/vc/1

  • http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4633882#4633882

  • http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3394845

  • http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10031685

According to those, we were both wrong. While you may have been closer to the norm, should you remind me I will tell you to eat shit and die out of common courtesy of course. Most people do not simmer at all going by those that actually post about their actions.

Only soaking for 24 hours does not allow water to deeply penetrate the grains. In my experience, the grains don't even noticeably begin to swell until after 30 minutes of simmering. If they haven't swollen in a visible way then how much water could they have possibly soaked up? As for what the actual perfect moisture content is that allows mycelium the speediest colonization without the water getting in its way and thus halting its growth is up for debate.

While I think that a 24 hour soak and simmering for 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 minutes to do tests would be spiffy, I haven't got that kind of free time to find out. It's easier for me to assume that too much water and a mushy inside will be easier for mycelium to colonize than a hard waterless core.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19485458 - 01/28/14 10:02 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

It might help if you quoted something from the last year or 2.....and not posts which are a decade old.

I never simmer/boil my WBS...I just soak for 24 hours in hot tap water and strain for a half hour.

The soak is what mainly hydrates the grains, not the simmer/boil.

We simmer/boil the grains to get them hot enough to steam dry quickly, that is all.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19487363 - 01/28/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

:whathesaid:

Soak, strain, PC. No simmer/boil required with WBS. People make things way too hard


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19488974 - 01/28/14 10:14 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I got some pretty decent results a few times by dropping raw brown rice into a large volume of boiling water, boiling for a short period, straining, then jarring and PCing.  Around 5-10 minutes I would guess but I always just looked at the appearance of the rice rather than watching the clock.  I tried the boiling water soak, strain, PC method but with whole brown rice it was too dry.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: PocketRevolution]
    #19493620 - 01/29/14 08:35 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

My only concern with using just the 24 hour soak is that it will never fully colonize the inside because of a lack of water and thus lose nutrients / time / effort.

Somewhere along the line I read that grains holding the maximum amount of water they can to be optimal and I bought into it. I also read RR say that the 24 soak is optimal. I have conclusive evidence for neither, but I'm starting to really doubt fully hydrated grains, which is only possible through simmering, is ideal. The truth is probably somewhere closer to the middle of the two. I hope to explore that one day and find out if it makes a difference in speed at all. I'll have something very rough to go on with my 48 hour soak versus the 24 hour soak + 45 minute simmer.

As for my rice prep, after the initial boiling water being poured on and soaking for 24 hours, I checked it and the water really hadn't penetrated it all. So, I drained it and repeated the process minus the coffee and with the addition of gypsum. After 48 hours, it still hadn't penetrated the rice that much and I got busy and decided to let it continue to soak for another 24 hours, making it 72 total. I have a feeling it's going to be about the same. I'm curious to try it as is because it's almost like WBS after a 24 hour soak in that hardly any water has penetrated the surface of the grain but it's a lot of rice to waste if it doesn't pan out. I'll have to play it by ear.


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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
    #19493660 - 01/29/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

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My only concern with using just the 24 hour soak is that it will never fully colonize the inside because of a lack of water and thus lose nutrients / time / effort.



Don't worry about whether the mycellium can colonize the inside of the grain or not, that is irrelevant, because it won't regardles.

The mycellium colonizing the outside of the grains is what actually matters.

2 people just told you they soak for 24 hours without simmering/boiling without issues, and if you use the search function there will be 100s more that do the same.


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