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Sudden blue bruising after misting
    #19480016 - 01/27/14 03:44 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Hi everyone,

I misted my grow today when the humidity dropped which I have been doing as and when necessary and when I came back 30 minutes later all the fruits had bruised blue. Does anybody know what caused this?
Yes I know it is psilocin coming into contact with oxygen, I'm not asking about contam here, just wanted to know why they suddenly all bruised for the first time.
I'm sure it is related to the misting, it just baffled me because they've not done that before.
I mist horizontally a foot or two above the cakes, never aimed direct at them and it is a very fine mist too.

My fruits have been growing really slow because I've had some real temperature control issues and struggled to get the temperature high enough with England's current winter weather, even with my window closed. I've fixed this by having my radiator on full as well as using a heat mat underneath the FC.

I noticed that about 25% of the fruits had broken the veil but not fully opened flat, in fact were still very cup shaped. But the shape of the fruits confused me over the last day or two, they seemed to pinch in very tightly just beneath the cap. Also they had a brown stippling, sort of like freckles on the stipe.

I panicked and picked them but now I feel I should have waited longer still for them to mature better. I got 61g from a 1.5" x 3.5" surface area and they bruised very dark blue, like ink, when picked.
Also I was pleased with the density of the stipe, not hollow and weak but thick and very strong.

I've changed things up a bit to improve FAE, temperature regulation and maintain humidity at the same time and it seems to be working with my cambodian cubes on coir as they're developing much closer to the speed I would expect cubes to grow.

Any insight?

Also I promised new pics yesterday but I haven't had the chance. Really want to show the monstrous amount of pins on this coir though, I couldn't have imagined it would pin this crazy.
I'm falling in love with mycology and it's fast becoming a serious passion of mine.

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ecotopia]
    #19480035 - 01/27/14 03:52 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

sounds like your sub is drying, only need to mist when the surface starts to dry up and the only thing i can think to monitor rh in is a greenhouse, other then that just let the surface of your sub do the talking for you, misting gives you your 100% humidity on the surface of your substrate as it evaporates, you can judge what needs tweaking by how fast/slow the surface drys up


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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ecotopia]
    #19480041 - 01/27/14 03:55 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Are you using tap water? perhaps its the chlorine . or the gov is placing a "killer" tap. tap round heres tasting sweaty. i hope GOD brings us real water. cause that shouldnt ever happen, your bruising. SERIOUSLY dunking didint blue cakes till this year on a recent post. perhaps its because of so much propogation this species has been going through. its evolutionary path. i dont really know.

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: Caddilac]
    #19480046 - 01/27/14 03:57 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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SERIOUSLY dunking didint blue cakes till this year on a recent post..



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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: cronicr]
    #19480062 - 01/27/14 04:03 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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SERIOUSLY dunking didint blue cakes till this year on a recent post..



:rolleyes:



Let me guess, you didn't start consolidating your cakes until recently?


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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: Kizzle]
    #19480066 - 01/27/14 04:11 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Make sure you're not covering the holes on the bottom with the heating pad

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: cronicr]
    #19480089 - 01/27/14 04:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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cronicr said:
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Caddilac said:
SERIOUSLY dunking didint blue cakes till this year on a recent post..



:rolleyes:




I think that post caused brain me to dumb write no more. Hlep.

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: Kjetterfaen]
    #19480264 - 01/27/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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using a heat mat underneath the FC.




It's been posted at least 10,000 times here that you shouldn't do that.

Get rid of the heat mat, but turn up the radiator if necessary so the area is at normal room temperature.  Adjust your misting nozzle so it sprays a fine mist and not large water droplets which bruise the cakes.
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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19484444 - 01/28/14 01:13 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Wow I'm confused by these responses.

Rogerrabbit: Why shouldn't a heating mat be used under the FC? I thought this was normal practise. If it doesn't harm reptiles why would it be of negative value to a FC set-up? Not that I'm contesting this, I just usually like to know "why" not just be told "don't".

As I stated in the original post my spray bottle creates a very fine mist and I spray a foot or two above the cakes and spray horizontally. If water droplets cause bruising and this happened shortly after a misting then I'm satisfied I have found my answer so thank you for that.

I guess on this occasion some larger droplets may have formed and I need to look into my spray bottle and see if I can improve on that. Although, I'm only doing cakes this time around, it's trays from now on and being coir I doubt I'll have to do much about the humidity.

Happy littletree: I'm not using a shotgun set-up so there are no holes on the bottom.

Cadillac: Seriously? I'm very new to all of this but my common sense still tells me to pretend you didn't reply.

Chronicr: I am coming to realise that your advice is always worth taking. Perhaps I did mist too frequently. The surfaces have been covered in tiny little drops from day one in the chamber but the humidity levels have fluctuated between 80%-100% and based on those fluctuations I've misted when it's dropped but I guess I didn't account for temperature drops too. There may be plenty of moisture in the tub but not enough heat to make it airborne and therefore I've overwatered. Wouldn't you say?

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ecotopia]
    #19484456 - 01/28/14 01:17 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

heating pads create a fuck ton of condensation alot of the times and that in turn takes away from your rh and drys your sub up faster then it should, always best to heat the room and not the chamber:thumbup:


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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: cronicr]
    #19484804 - 01/28/14 05:05 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the info, really helpful in these early days. Does that still count for colonization or just in the FC?


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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ecotopia]
    #19484836 - 01/28/14 05:27 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Wow I'm confused by these responses.

Rogerrabbit: Why shouldn't a heating mat be used under the FC? I thought this was normal practise. If it doesn't harm reptiles why would it be of negative value to a FC set-up?




I've typed that answer at least 1000 times over the last few years.  I can't keep typing it again and again because people don't want to use the search function for their answers.  Search posts for terrarium, heating pad, using my name as the filter.


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The surfaces have been covered in tiny little drops from day one in the chamber but the humidity levels have fluctuated between 80%-100% and based on those fluctuations I've misted when it's dropped but I guess I didn't account for temperature drops too. There may be plenty of moisture in the tub but not enough heat to make it airborne and therefore I've overwatered. Wouldn't you say?





This makes absolutely no sense.  If there are tiny water droplets on the cakes at all times, your humidity is already at or near 100%.  If not, the water droplets would evaporate.  If you have a made in china 'hygrometer', take a hammer and smash it to bits so you won't be tempted to look at your wasted money.

Your statement about having enough moisture but not enough heat to make it airborne makes no sense either.  Heat will lower humidity, not raise it.  This is why when it's cold and raining outdoors, it's 100% humidity.  A 20F/15C rise in temperature will cut relative humidity in half.

Bruising can be caused by too dry or too wet a substrate.  Simply pick up your cakes so you can judge from the weight which it is based on how much they weighed before fruiting.
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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19485051 - 01/28/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I actually did use the search function but didn't use your name as filter because why would I think to do that? So yeah, it's not that I can't be bothered thank you very much. Keep your assumptions to yourself, just straight advise will do here mate.

Also I bought my hygrometer from a cigar specialist, I don't know where it was made and I'm not at my home right now to check but it's brass, about the size of a pocket watch and looks very "posh" is the only way I can describe it.

I don't know much about these things which is why I'm here asking instead of making assumptions and f'ing it up for myself. I don't have a degree in science and I can only make a guess which, again, is why I'm here asking questions.

Your attitude is not necessary, I'm just here looking for help and you're making me feel like a fool. I don't want to be made to feel like a fool because I'll be less likely to seek help with a problem in the future if I think I'm likely to be made to feel that way again.

Some people who have been at this for years completely forget they were new once and act like us newbies are real thick SOB's. Try to think back to when you were starting off and how useful the way you tailored your response would have been to you back then.

Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding on my part about the humidity but could you possibly leave the attitude at the door and please just focus on answering peoples questions instead of belittling them? Either that or leave it to people who will respect the fact that the level of understanding of a newbie is limited and only you more experienced people can help that understanding to grow and blossom.

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ecotopia]
    #19485922 - 01/28/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I actually did use the search function but didn't use your name as filter because why would I think to do that? So yeah, it's not that I can't be bothered thank you very much. Keep your assumptions to yourself, just straight advise will do here mate.

Also I bought my hygrometer from a cigar specialist, I don't know where it was made and I'm not at my home right now to check but it's brass, about the size of a pocket watch and looks very "posh" is the only way I can describe it.

I don't know much about these things which is why I'm here asking instead of making assumptions and f'ing it up for myself. I don't have a degree in science and I can only make a guess which, again, is why I'm here asking questions.

Your attitude is not necessary, I'm just here looking for help and you're making me feel like a fool. I don't want to be made to feel like a fool because I'll be less likely to seek help with a problem in the future if I think I'm likely to be made to feel that way again.

Some people who have been at this for years completely forget they were new once and act like us newbies are real thick SOB's. Try to think back to when you were starting off and how useful the way you tailored your response would have been to you back then.

Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding on my part about the humidity but could you possibly leave the attitude at the door and please just focus on answering peoples questions instead of belittling them? Either that or leave it to people who will respect the fact that the level of understanding of a newbie is limited and only you more experienced people can help that understanding to grow and blossom.

Thank you



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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: cronicr]
    #19491862 - 01/29/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry man, perhaps I took that the wrong way. I'm unfortunately not a well person and my symptoms have been very severe recently and it's easy to read into things wrong when all my focus is on how I feel, which I cannot translate in any way into words.

I just checked my hygrometer and it's made by western instrument company, very unchinese.
My set-up, as I've highlighted previously, was thrown together based the on small budget available and the style of grow we'd already started, despite making better plans for the next before the colonization had even completed.
So due to that we thought we'd make do with what he had for now and put more effort into the next grow because we intend to use the next method for all future grows.

So the fact we had to wing it meant that the conditions weren't as simple or as stable as one that had been more thought out and therefore the wet(ish) cake and contradicting fluctuating humidity could have easily been due to other factors such as the reading being noted just after fanning. Droplets would still be on the cake but with the sudden increased air flow the hygrometer would read dropping humidity.

I have improved the set up somewhat and the conditions are stable, readings match the viewed conditions and they are getting everything they need when they need it.
Also, I finally got my light fitting with 6500k bulb and in the last 24 hours the cambodians have flourished on the coir. I imagine 3 days from now they will be ready.

The Ecuadorians on grain are getting into full swing on the second flush, didn't even have to trigger them, they just popped up on their own.

Lovely.

Pics to follow in a new post.

I do appreciate the replies and the help offered and it was my bad for misinterpreting the intention here.
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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ecotopia]
    #19491902 - 01/29/14 03:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: Faaip de Oiad]
    #19492165 - 01/29/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Takes a reasonable human to admit to short comings, and most peeps just aren't reasonable. Hats off to you ecotopia for self introspection and correction.


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Re: Sudden blue bruising after misting [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19492963 - 01/29/14 06:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Takes a reasonable human to admit to short comings, and most peeps just aren't reasonable. Hats off to you ecotopia for self introspection and correction.




Agreed :thumbup:

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I'm not using a shotgun set-up so there are no holes on the bottom.




In that case, and in my own experience, a heating device could be beneficial, but only in so far as it brings the chamber to the proper fruiting temperature and no greater.

If you're say, growing in a filthy, cold, dank dungeon like I am, it's a necessity.

Let me geek out .. You may have already looked this up, but there is an inverse relationship between RH and temperature. If temp ↑, than RH ↓, because dew-point is relative to temperature .. Basically hot air holds more water before condensing into droplets (=>100% RH). Keep that in mind when using analog hygrometers, and even hardware store digital ones. They tend to become inaccurate beyond what humans live in (>20% & <60% or so, I think!).

Really accurate hygrometers are more like lab instruments, and used in environmental chemistry\sampling etc.

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