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ToadKnowledge
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Changed terrarium, now having trouble
#19477091 - 01/26/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
So my project is growing great but I decided to switch my cakes into a plastic container like the ones built in the TEKs. I had a small glass terrarium before and had no problem. The temp was fine, humidity at 100% all the time. Now that I switched to this container (for more space for the mushrooms to flourish without hitting the glass of the terrarium), the humidity stays at 85%. I don't know what the do to make it 100%. Any suggestions?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477124 - 01/26/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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When you say plastic container, what do you mean? Is it a SGFC? or a closed tote? a Cooler? Pics?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: VE3HPC]
#19477139 - 01/26/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes it's a SGFC
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477160 - 01/26/14 02:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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what is the humidity and temp in the room that the SGFC is in?
How many inches of perlite would you say you have?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477165 - 01/26/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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How big is your SGFC and how many cakes are in it? how deep is your perlite? Is there good air flow coming up from the bottom holes? Are you sure your hydrometer is correct.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19477179 - 01/26/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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what is the humidity and temp in the room that the SGFC is in? How many inches of perlite would you say you have?
The room temp is 75 degrees. 5 inches of perlite.
How big is your SGFC and how many cakes are in it? how deep is your perlite? Is there good air flow coming up from the bottom holes? Are you sure your hydrometer is correct.
5 cakes. 5 inches of perlite. No there isn't any air from the bottom holes but I think i might of made the holes too big? What do you think?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477181 - 01/26/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmmm... Have you watched the RR clip on making a SGFC? Followed to spec? Make sure there is no air blowing in the room that your SGFC is in, no vents blowing at it, no fans on, etc. Moving air will move the humidified air in the SGFC and replace it with air that is less humid, screwing up your chamber RH.
If blowing air is not a concern, make sure ambient room temp is at least room temperature (70 to 72 degrees). You need to have the air in your SGFC slightly warmer (room temp) than the temp your perlite is. Your perlite, because its damp will allow the air around it to be cooler than the air above it. This makes the air around the perlite slightly more dense, creating a pocket of higher air pressure. This temperature differential is what causes the pressure differential needed to get the moist air to move up and away from the perlite and move its way into the lower pressure air above, into the SGFC.
If not, you may have too many holes allowing too much humid air to escape and cause dry air to take its place. Try misting and fanning more often, see if maybe you can get it to increase by simply doing that.
In the summer, my SGFC makes do with 2 decent mistings a day and 2 to 3 FAE's. In winter, I need double the misting and fanning cycles to keep the humidity just because the ambient air is that much dryer.
Good luck!
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: VE3HPC]
#19477187 - 01/26/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just now saw the pics, I couldnt see the bottom of the SGFC. Is it elevated off the surface of what it is sitting on? You need to give the bottom holes access to adequate restriction free air supply.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: VE3HPC]
#19477193 - 01/26/14 02:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ahh ok the blowing air might be a factor. I have a heater inside of the closet I'm growing it in and it's facing the chamber.
When I mist and fan the temp drops and humidity decreases.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477207 - 01/26/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: ahh ok the blowing air might be a factor. I have a heater inside of the closet I'm growing it in and it's facing the chamber.
When I mist and fan the temp drops and humidity decreases.
the heater will dry your shit out in no time. The only kind of heater you can really have with a SGFC is the oil filled radiator otherwise it will dry it all out. Even with the radiator it shouldn't be close to the SGFC at all. Take a look at the link in my signature and read the Fruiting chamber,FAE,RH,misting and fanning parts.
Your cheap hygrometer probably doesn't read humidity accurately at all so I would ignore the readings you get. The only hygrometers accurate enough for a reasonable amount of money are calibrateable analog cigar box ones and synthetic hair ones.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: VE3HPC]
#19477211 - 01/26/14 03:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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VE3HPC said: I just now saw the pics, I couldnt see the bottom of the SGFC. Is it elevated off the surface of what it is sitting on? You need to give the bottom holes access to adequate restriction free air supply.
You said there isn't any air flow from the bottom. I would say that's a problem. Also ditch the heater and if you are growing in a closet try to leave the door open as much as possible.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19477220 - 01/26/14 03:05 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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VE3HPC said: I just now saw the pics, I couldnt see the bottom of the SGFC. Is it elevated off the surface of what it is sitting on? You need to give the bottom holes access to adequate restriction free air supply.
You said there isn't any air flow from the bottom. I would say that's a problem. Also ditch the heater and if you are growing in a closet try to leave the door open as much as possible.
Yes, I would get rid of the heater and stop all forms of moving air. Because you are growing in a closet, you should keep the door cracked open slightly ^^^what he said^^^ Just make sure your closet is at room temp, raise the SGFC off the surface slightly (use jar lids or something, in each corner of the SGFC) mist and fan, recheck humidity. Should be ok from there!
BTW the holes look fine.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19477225 - 01/26/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmm it's strange because they were growing in the glass terrarium perfectly and it has no air exchange in the bottom. I just now put jars in the bottom of the chamber so it's off of the floor.
The heater is just so the closet is a 70-75 degrees. Usually when I turn it off the temp in the terrarium drops as well. I took it out though to see if it's any different in the new chamber
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477244 - 01/26/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: hmm it's strange because they were growing in the glass terrarium perfectly and it has no air exchange in the bottom. I just now put jars in the bottom of the chamber so it's off of the floor.
The heater is just so the closet is a 70-75 degrees. Usually when I turn it off the temp in the terrarium drops as well. I took it out though to see if it's any different in the new chamber
the air rising up threw the moist perlite creates humidity in a SGFC. SGFCs are engineered to operate in a certain way. Any deviation from this will cause problems.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19477272 - 01/26/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh alright I see. I made the changes, I'll update the thread in a few.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19477297 - 01/26/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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VE3HPC said: I just now saw the pics, I couldnt see the bottom of the SGFC. Is it elevated off the surface of what it is sitting on? You need to give the bottom holes access to adequate restriction free air supply.
You said there isn't any air flow from the bottom. I would say that's a problem. Also ditch the heater and if you are growing in a closet try to leave the door open as much as possible.
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VE3HPC said: I just now saw the pics, I couldnt see the bottom of the SGFC. Is it elevated off the surface of what it is sitting on? You need to give the bottom holes access to adequate restriction free air supply.
You said there isn't any air flow from the bottom. I would say that's a problem. Also ditch the heater and if you are growing in a closet try to leave the door open as much as possible.
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MudaFuka said:
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VE3HPC said: I just now saw the pics, I couldnt see the bottom of the SGFC. Is it elevated off the surface of what it is sitting on? You need to give the bottom holes access to adequate restriction free air supply.
You said there isn't any air flow from the bottom. I would say that's a problem. Also ditch the heater and if you are growing in a closet try to leave the door open as much as possible.
 Most of the humidity in an SGFC is from the bottom holes on the floor of the FC humidifying the air that comes by running through the soaked perlite.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19477400 - 01/26/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmm, close but no cigar. The humidity is at 90% now.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19477436 - 01/26/14 03:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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the air rising up threw the moist perlite creates humidity in a SGFC.
I've always pictured it as Fickian diffusion, home slice. With CO2 just falling out of the container like lechate.

Toad, could your hygrometer be inaccurate? I operate mine at 93-94% without problems.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: Quexl]
#19477445 - 01/26/14 03:56 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Possibly. I bought it for like 3 bucks.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477469 - 01/26/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: lil_demented]
#19477567 - 01/26/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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If the walls of the terrarium are still heavily misted by the time you come back to mist again your RH should be fine.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19477608 - 01/26/14 04:30 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Co2 doesn't sink in a SGFC it diffuses into the air, it's a homogeneous mix of gasses in the SGFC's air.
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ToadKnowledge said: ahh ok the blowing air might be a factor. I have a heater inside of the closet I'm growing it in and it's facing the chamber.
When I mist and fan the temp drops and humidity decreases.
the heater will dry your shit out in no time. The only kind of heater you can really have with a SGFC is the oil filled radiator otherwise it will dry it all out. Even with the radiator it shouldn't be close to the SGFC at all. Take a look at the first link in my signature and read the Fruiting chamber,FAE,RH,misting and fanning parts.
Your cheap hygrometer probably doesn't read humidity accurately at all so I would ignore the readings you get. The only hygrometers accurate enough for a reasonable amount of money are calibrateable analog cigar box ones and synthetic hair ones.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19477676 - 01/26/14 04:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, that seems like the next thing. I'll wait a see what happens.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19477746 - 01/26/14 05:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Co2 doesn't sink in a SGFC it diffuses into the air, it's a homogeneous mix of gasses in the SGFC's air.
Who keeps saying that? CO2 is around 60% heavier than atmosphere by volume, and there's no dispersive force in there to suspend gasses of significantly different density. If it "diffuses"(yes) = passive transport(yes) = CO2 sinking(yes?).
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: Quexl]
#19477809 - 01/26/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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surprizingly if you get your hands on a co2 meter the PPM of co2 is higher at the roof of the SGFC than at the perlite level, explain that with the heavier than air theory. Every brewery I have ever been in has their co2 airlocks for 6200+ gal fermentation tanks making thousands of cubic feet of co2 per hour and it doesn't kill anyone ever from sinking to the ground and suffocating even with doors closed and the AC/heat off.
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The physics of the shotgun terrarium are that evaporation causes a temperature drop, thus the air molecules are closer together. This results in higher pressure within the air spaces around the perlite.
The substrates and/or lights provide slight heating within the body of the terrarium. This results in relatively lower pressure. This low pressure area above the perlite(high pressure) results in airflow to balance the pressure. This in turn leads to more evaporation from the perlite, continuing the process. This is why a shotgun terrarium handles FAE automatically.
The CO2 does not settle to the bottom. In addition, the CO2 from mushrooms is mixed thoroughly into the O2, thus it travels out through the holes in the sides and top as part of the natural circulation. It doesn't enter the denser air within the perlite and spill out the bottom. RR
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JayBrasco said: fewer, you dont want alot of humidity to escape. only enough on the BOTTOM to get rid of CO2
Bad advice. Fresh air exchange causes a loss of moisture from the cakes or other substrate, and this loss of moisture is the number ONE pinning trigger. Noobs worry too much about humidity, which is easily corrected with misting. You MUST mist to make up for the lost moisture. In the old days, people would toss cakes in a sealed up chamber and hope for a couple of mushrooms before green mold set in. Today, you can easily get three or four times the harvest the early growers did by using a proper terrarium that provides both fresh air and high humidity.
Furthermore, why you guys think CO2 is heavy like water and will drain out holes in the bottom baffles the mind. If all the CO2 settled to the bottom, we'd all be dead due to the power plants and cars, cows, etc., that are puking out tons of CO2 by the minute. The CO2 MIXES with the air and thus must be exchanged WITH the air. It isn't a sweet little layer on the bottom of your fruiting chambers.
As for only reading 80% humidity in a shotgun terrarium with a humidifier running in the closet, it proves your hygrometer is screwed. I can put a shotgun terrarium in an open room with the lid totally off and get higher humidity than that.
I seriously doubt anyone has lower humidity than I do. It's below zero outside and I use a large cast iron wood stove to heat my cabin. My properly made shotgun terrariums all read 95% or greater. I keep a cool mist humidifier running near the wood stove, and it's nice and cozy in here, even though there's nearly five feet of snow on the ground outside. RR
Co2's concentration in "air" is higher at sea level but it's still mixed evenly with the air. Yes gravity does work but it doesn't pull co2 out of the air to make it it's own distinct layer.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: Quexl]
#19477849 - 01/26/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Co2 doesn't sink in a SGFC it diffuses into the air, it's a homogeneous mix of gasses in the SGFC's air.
Who keeps saying that? CO2 is around 60% heavier than atmosphere by volume, and there's no dispersive force in there to suspend gasses of significantly different density. If it "diffuses"(yes) = passive transport(yes) = CO2 sinking(yes?).
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 Despite CO2 supposedly being heavier than O2 it doesn't behave the way you'd think it would. There are people on here like rr that own expensive CO2 sensors and like Bodhisatta said they will fight you to the death over that argument of the CO2 sinking to the bottom.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19477863 - 01/26/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: CO2 is not like water which remains separate from air and will drain out the bottom. The CO2 MIXES WITH THE AIR, thus does not 'leak out the bottom'.
Before you tell us to go to science class(I have two engineering degrees-do you?), you should go back to second grade to learn the difference between a whole and a hole. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16180683#16180683
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RogerRabbit said: Of course CO2 is heavier than air. It doesn't however fall out of the air to land on the ground. A hole in the bottom of a terrarium isn't going to drain the CO2 out and leave air in its place. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13149063#13149063
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RogerRabbit said: According to my CO2 meter, far more CO2 is expelled out the top and sides than the bottom. CO2 isn't heavy like water, so it doesn't just 'drain' out. Instead, it mixes with the air that comes in, and then flows out mostly through the sides, but also the top due to turbulence caused by the design, which takes advantage of minute pressure differences caused by temperature(evaporative cooling within the perlite).
The bottom of a shotgun terrarium is the 'intake', so if there's no holes there, you will have lower humidity and a higher CO2 level because less air is coming in to the terrarium to push the CO2 and stale air out the sides and top. RR
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19477964 - 01/26/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmm, now it's back down to 80%. I'm not sure, I think I might just go back to the glass tank. When I was doing the switch my thermometer fell on one of the mushrooms that was growing and completely hacked it off the cake. I was devastated and took it out and put it inside of a napkin. I pressed it and it was hard. Are they suppose to be hard?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477975 - 01/26/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: hmm, now it's back down to 80%. I'm not sure, I think I might just go back to the glass tank. When I was doing the switch my thermometer fell on one of the mushrooms that was growing and completely hacked it off the cake. I was devastated and took it out and put it inside of a napkin. I pressed it and it was hard. Are they suppose to be hard?
just wait it out and leave them in the better chamber. And no they're supposed to be eaten , yes somewhat hard.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19477987 - 01/26/14 06:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmm idk dude. It's now at 70%
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19477996 - 01/26/14 06:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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don't trust your meter, especially after 1 hour. is your perlite hydrated through and through also?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19478008 - 01/26/14 06:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The perlite did concern me. I bought new perlite today and the texture of the perlite was very different from the last bag I bought. In the first bag I bought the perlite absorb a lot of water but this bag it was mad rocky and the water didn't absorb at all. I'm guessing that could also be the problem?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19478014 - 01/26/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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perlite is a rock it shouldn't absorb at all. It clings to the surface of the rocks. you want the coarse stuff or the coarsest you can find as long as it's not huge.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19478034 - 01/26/14 06:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh because in the last bag, when i wet it the texture completely changed
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19478051 - 01/26/14 06:26 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok so, what exactly are the consequences of changing them back to the glass terrarium, if the conditions were perfect before?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19478094 - 01/26/14 06:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: oh because in the last bag, when i wet it the texture completely changed
sounds like it was vermiculite, perlite is bright white and a rock it stays a rock when it gets wet.
consequences are poor yield and ugly fruits
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19478536 - 01/26/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: Quexl]
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Have you ever personally used a glass terrarium? Are you speaking from experience or just saying that it'll fruit poorly?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
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and no it was perlite lol
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
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ToadKnowledge said: Have you ever personally used a glass terrarium? Are you speaking from experience or just saying that it'll fruit poorly?
Glass aquariums have sucked for years, they do not allow for constant FAE.
A plastic tub the can be drilled is better.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
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Oh ok, because I read on another thread that someone said "glass terrariums have worked for years" lol The one I have actually provides a lot of FAE. If it didn't then the shrooms wouldn't of have started growing in the first place. I guess it's just about what works best for you just like everything else in life.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
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ToadKnowledge said: The one I have actually provides a lot of FAE. If it didn't then the shrooms wouldn't of have started growing in the first place.
Not true.
Just because you have fruits does not mean they are getting enough FAE.
A glass aquarium in no way dissipates gasses as good as a SGFC.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19479162 - 01/26/14 10:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Perlite shouldn't change consistency at all when wet. You're sure it was perlite you had? Like he said it's a rock. It's its porous surface that manages to have a lot of surface area hence a lot of water on the surface. A glass terrarium only held humidity better because you had little to no Fresh air exchange. Your cakes need FAE. Don't trust the cheap meter. Keep them in the SGFC. How long does it take for the moisture on the sides of the walls take to evaporate after you heavily mist it?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
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At the end of the day we are still eating them lol
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
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vikingsc said: A glass terrarium only held humidity better because you had little to no Fresh air exchange.
This makes no sense.
The humidity level would be lower without proper air exchange, not higher.
Fresh air causes evaporation, which causes the humidity to rise, not fall.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
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Ok, wait so if they are grown in the glass, can I die from eating the shrooms? Because they aren't grown properly? This isn't a sarcastic question, I don't know about this stuff.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19479182 - 01/26/14 10:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, they should be just fine to eat no matter how healthy they are.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
#19479221 - 01/26/14 10:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting.
Well from both chambers I got:
Glass: 70 degrees, 100% humidity, mist 3/4 times a day and fan 5/6 times a day.
SGFC: 70 degrees, 70 - 80% humidity, mist 3/4 times a day and fan 5/6 times a day.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19479225 - 01/26/14 10:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: Interesting.
Well from both chambers I got:
Glass: 70 degrees, 100% humidity, mist 3/4 times a day and fan 5/6 times a day.
SGFC: 70 degrees, 70 - 80% humidity, mist 3/4 times a day and fan 5/6 times a day.
Results from a cheap unreliable chinese made hygrometer I bet.
Throw that thing out and build a proper SGFC is my advice.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
#19479242 - 01/26/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The SGFC is properly built. What hygrometer do you suggest i buy? I got mine at Walmart for 9 bucks. Even if it were cheap. 100% vs 75% is a big jump. What do you suggest I buy?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19480289 - 01/27/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: The SGFC is properly built. What hygrometer do you suggest i buy?
Nothing.
There is no need for a hygrometer unless you have a greenhouse.
All it is going to do is fuck with your head.
If the SGFC was built right the humidity will be perfect regardless of what some cheap hygrometer says.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
#19480674 - 01/27/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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a 9$ hygrometer could be upwards of 50% off. Shit my city's "calibrated" speed radar ticket in the mail things had errors in the double digits before they scrapped that program and those were "professional" contractors, let alone a plastic chinese hygrometer.
The only good hygrometers are the ones made for salons to measure synthetic hair. IE synthetic hair hygrometer, and the ones for cigar boxes that are analog and calibrateable and you'll still have to calibrate weekly. it's really not worth the cost since a properly built SGFC is putting you above 95% anyway no matter what your pos hygrometer says.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19480787 - 01/27/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: hmmm, close but no cigar. The humidity is at 90% now.
90% isn't bad. My house gets very dry in the winter and the RH in my FC regularly drops as low as 87% without causing me any problems.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19480798 - 01/27/14 11:07 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've never put a hygrometer in my SGFC and it's always worked perfect. I would suspect If I had put one in my SGFC I would be paranoid all the time at the weird numbers I would see. Humidity in a sgfc is something you should fly blind on. The mushrooms themselves are the best hygrometer you'll find they'll let you know if it's not humid enough. Watch the mushrooms not some dial.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19480919 - 01/27/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great advice guys.
Yea currently I have 5 in the glass tank at 100% humidity and just put two new ones in the SGFC. The Humidity in the SGFC is at a steady 90% now. I'll let it sit. Might even put the 5 cakes in the SGFC and the two new ones in the glass tank for space. Is space crucial in their growth?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19480926 - 01/27/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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enough space for the shrooms to grow is about it.
something tells me the ones in the SGFC will do better.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19480939 - 01/27/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: enough space for the shrooms to grow is about it.
something tells me the ones in the SGFC will do better.
FAE is more important than RH. I don't even worry about humidity. as long as my subs don't look dry and my fruits look healthy who cares what the humidity is.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19480943 - 01/27/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like they said a properly constructed SGFC will hold 95% humidity even in a desert. Don't trust cheap hygro's.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19480955 - 01/27/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is this enough space? If not I'll switch it to the SGFC. 
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481023 - 01/27/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The space isn't the issue. It's the lack of FAE. Do you at least have an air pump in there? A terrarium is better suited for lizards than a fruiting chamber.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19481033 - 01/27/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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vikingsc said: A terrarium is better suited for lizards than a fruiting chamber.
Funny, my fruiting chamber is better suited for my lizard.

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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
#19481045 - 01/27/14 12:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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hahahahaha
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: PussyFart]
#19481053 - 01/27/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Funny, my fruiting chamber is better suited for my lizard.
Yes but how much FAE is he getting, he's never going to double in size with the PPM of co2 over 1000.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19481070 - 01/27/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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No I have no pump in there. I'l make the switch over to SGFC later tonight if I feel like it needs to.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19481076 - 01/27/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Funny, my fruiting chamber is better suited for my lizard.
Yes but how much FAE is he getting, he's never going to double in size with the PPM of co2 over 1000.
I hope he's not getting ready to harvest his lizard......It's nowhere near ready.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481402 - 01/27/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd take at least one of them out. They'll get all squished up against the wet glass. Ew.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: Quexl]
#19481489 - 01/27/14 02:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yup, I took two out of the glass tank and put them in the SGFC. I'll make the transition slowly over to SGFC.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481542 - 01/27/14 02:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh ok so every time I mist and fan the humidity goes back to 90%. So, I'm probably not misting enough in the SGFC.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481552 - 01/27/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: Oh ok so every time I mist and fan the humidity goes back to 90%. So, I'm probably not misting enough in the SGFC.
quit measuring, all it does is make you think lol
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: cronicr]
#19481564 - 01/27/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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lolllll you're right
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481596 - 01/27/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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you're not misting enough if your cakes dry out. You're misting too much if they get soggy. Dude look at the right indicator not some plastic dial.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: vikingsc]
#19481729 - 01/27/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys are aggressive for no reason. Universal love guys. Didn't y'all learn anything on your trips?
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
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ToadKnowledge said: You guys are aggressive for no reason. Universal love guys. Didn't y'all learn anything on your trips?
we learned a lot, like more effective ways to handle the misguided ones. 
truth be told I want to see everyone as good or better than myself and my intentions are often not so transparent and clear when I have to keep people from harming their goals despite them thinking they have the best intentions.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481807 - 01/27/14 03:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: You guys are aggressive for no reason. Universal love guys. Didn't y'all learn anything on your trips?
you ain't seen nuthing yet
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19481819 - 01/27/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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ToadKnowledge said: You guys are aggressive for no reason. Universal love guys. Didn't y'all learn anything on your trips?
Every one just wants to help you and make sure you get the point I trip in Hell so I haven't learned much about Universal love.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: MudaFuka]
#19481974 - 01/27/14 03:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sometimes universal love looks strange. Like when a Zen master hits a monk with a bamboo cane because he dozed off in meditation.
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: bodhisatta]
#19481991 - 01/27/14 03:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol i love this place
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19482093 - 01/27/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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btw got the SGFC to 100% humidity consistently. I won't pay too much attention to what it says now. Thank you all very much for your advice
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Re: Changed terrarium, now having trouble [Re: ToadKnowledge]
#19482123 - 01/27/14 04:07 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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There ya go
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