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bigd17
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Rye Berries Tek Question
#19476137 - 01/26/14 10:46 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You shouldn't be soaking in the jar. Use a large kettle, and rinse the grains first to remove the chaff and grain dust before you begin the soak.
In the tek below, coffee is optional, so if you use plain water, skip the addition of lime. You still need gypsum though.
My rye tek: Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, one cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt. You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much hot tap water as you have rye. Use half coffee and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches. Add 1/4 teaspoon per cup of rye of gypsum. Stir these into the water/grain well. Cover and leave this to sit for 4-24 hours. Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes if you've soaked 24 hours or up to 30 minutes if you've only soaked 4 hours, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Great. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain. Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe or agar wedge. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. I use 120 minutes. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate. RR
In this thread RR says if your going to use coffee you've gotta add lime, but there's no point in the process at which he says how much lime to add and when to do it... any ideas?
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Re: Rye Berries Tek Question [Re: bigd17]
#19476237 - 01/26/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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keep it simple. just add a tea spoon of gypsum per 10 cups of rye. it's what I do.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Rye Berries Tek Question [Re: God Stamet]
#19476265 - 01/26/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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OP, you are worried too much.
Exact measurements don't matter for grains. For 3 quarts of dry rye, I just use 4-6 cups of regular strength coffee poured into the soak water and a handful of gypsum.
Works great every time 
Also, lime is used for adjusting the pH of bulk substrates, not for soaking grains.
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bigd17
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Hey, I just want to make sure I'm doing things the right way lol.
And doesn't coffee alter the ph?
and Gypsum is to help keep the grain from clumping right?
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Re: Rye Berries Tek Question [Re: bigd17]
#19480085 - 01/27/14 04:34 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bigd17 said: Hey, I just want to make sure I'm doing things the right way lol.
And doesn't coffee alter the ph?
and Gypsum is to help keep the grain from clumping right?
Gypsum helps prevent clumping in your grain jars but it also increases the yield by up to 25% when added to bulk substrates. You can find RR stating that here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14563647#14563647
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Re: Rye Berries Tek Question [Re: bigd17]
#19480270 - 01/27/14 07:16 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't worry about lime. Use gypsum. RR
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bigd17
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Re: Rye Berries Tek Question [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19480474 - 01/27/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Word! Thanks guys! My PC should get here someti me today and it will be on like DK!
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Re: Rye Berries Tek Question [Re: bigd17]
#19480592 - 01/27/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coffee will speed your colonization times significantly. There is no harm in adding it to your grain water. You can even use up to 50% coffee in your soak, though I feel that is overkill
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