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Solitude
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1981226 - 10/05/03 12:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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"If I were in the Palestinians' shoes, I'd be walking away from all that." Why? would the US make a Palestinian homeland? we just want what we had, its either they go or we go and why should we go when we were there first?
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1981247 - 10/05/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why cant you both live together? No ones going anywhere.
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Solitude
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: GazzBut]
#1981566 - 10/05/03 02:34 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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because palestinians have been humiliated enuff and the israelites offer virtually no land in comparisson to what they want to keep. even its not theirs to begin with.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1981598 - 10/05/03 02:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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How many jews were in palestine before it was made into Israel? How many palestinians?
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1981671 - 10/05/03 03:28 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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From the last days of the final Islamic Khilafah and onward, Jews slowly started to settle in Palestine - an area that was mostly inhabited by Arabs. In fact, the Arabs welcomed the Jews at first. As more and more Jews arrived, tensions grew and before you knew it British buildings were being bombed by Zionist groups and constant fighting broke out between Jews and Arabs. Look at the Middle Eastern map today: Israel is completely surrounded by Arab states.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Zahid]
#1981795 - 10/05/03 04:37 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zahid u beat me to the punch! yes Baby; that is the way it is. we WELCOMED the jews, and later got shafted- hard.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1981923 - 10/05/03 05:43 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the 1993 offer Barok made is unacceptable, what do you think would be a fair deal?
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1981957 - 10/05/03 06:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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honestly if it was me id be past peace mode, id be building and army and assigning and ultimatum, leave or total war. im pretty sure id win. shit Arafat is making th right move not cooperating anymore, hes done enough to help make peace and on top of the fact that he gets shafted all the time he's also seen as this asshole. they guy is gettin old, im sure he jus wats to chill now. shit i would gladly carry the torch, but times have changed.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1981964 - 10/05/03 06:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think Palestine would win against Israel in a war? Not a chance. Israel could wipe every palestinian off the face of the earth if they were willing to do so.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1981969 - 10/05/03 06:06 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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no contest.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1981970 - 10/05/03 06:09 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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IF it was me (lets face it Solitude, Israel is here to stay), my demands would be: -Palestian independence in all of West Bank and Gaza Strip. -The Right of Return for Palestinians booted out of Israel. -East Jerusalem (Masjid al-Aqsa) as the Palestinian capital. -Compensation for innocent Palestian lives and property. -Legitimate military opportunities for Palestinians. -Foreign Aid to rebuild the Palestinian territories and create jobs.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Zahid]
#1981993 - 10/05/03 06:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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we would win. guaranteed. again 9 yrs
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1981997 - 10/05/03 06:21 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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past performance is a pretty good indication of future performance.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: wingnutx]
#1982000 - 10/05/03 06:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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true, but indicators arent 100% accurate . trust me we would win.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Zahid]
#1982003 - 10/05/03 06:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is the difference between that and the 1993 offer?
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1982017 - 10/05/03 06:29 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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The right of return was rejected, among other things I believe - including Masjid al-Aqsa (The Mosque of Ahmad) in East Jerusalem. I admit Arafat doesn't seem like a big fan of Mideast Peace, but is the elected Palestinian leader and obviously he understands Israel is here to stay as most Arabs subconsciously know - but the 1993 accord would not have solved the problem.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1982029 - 10/05/03 06:34 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Solitude said: we would win. guaranteed. again 9 yrs
And then what would we do? Take care of the millions of Jewish people there? I'm sorry, but the fanatical approach to destroy Israel is unreasonable and primitive. Israel was formed criminally we agree, but today it has sunk its roots deep into the soil. We need an Israeli mother and a Palestinian mother doing all the negotiations, not two belligerent old fundamentalists.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Zahid]
#1982059 - 10/05/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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listen it wont work like that. ever. palestinians are very proud people. you spit on my face i will reciprocate 3 times over. peace would be great, but there is no way palestine will ever be mended without blood. primitive yes. but we are no diffrent now then we were then it is proved day in day out. we are not more sophisticated than our forefathers in anyway, we are really geh compared to them. we think we are the shit cuz we have TV and shit. nah we arent. and i kno not one palestinian that will ever accept defeat, why should we when we will never be defeated. as for taking care of the jews, i dont mind if they live die or w/e jus as everyone else. they are no diffrent. they just will have to be relocated as many palestinians were. it may seem ruthless or w/e but honestly its not , i dont care about races or any of that. just that everyone has their place nad palestine is ours all of it, not 2 little chunks. once again peace would be great but again. let us be realisitic.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
#1982074 - 10/05/03 06:56 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Solitude said: listen it wont work like that. ever. palestinians are very proud people. you spit on my face i will reciprocate 3 times over. peace would be great, but there is no way palestine will ever be mended without blood. primitive yes. but we are no diffrent now then we were then it is proved day in day out. we are not more sophisticated than our forefathers in anyway, we are really geh compared to them. we think we are the shit cuz we have TV and shit. nah we arent. and i kno not one palestinian that will ever accept defeat, why should we when we will never be defeated. as for taking care of the jews, i dont mind if they live die or w/e jus as everyone else. they are no diffrent. they just will have to be relocated as many palestinians were. it may seem ruthless or w/e but honestly its not , i dont care about races or any of that. just that everyone has their place nad palestine is ours all of it, not 2 little chunks. once again peace would be great but again. let us be realisitic.
Okay, simple question: Lets say Palestine did gain military control over Israel, with what money, and with what army could we even hold down such a place. Eat some mushrooms, akhi.
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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Zahid]
#1982102 - 10/05/03 07:08 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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all things come with time. i doubt if the palestinians did gain control of palestine again they would let it go so easily. these are problems that can be overcome. we are saying in the first place that they have an army to gain control over "israel". u think the army that did this would jus dissapear right afterwards? not easy but not too hard.
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