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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1965576 - 09/30/03 10:06 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I for one am not shitting myself over muslim terrorists randall. A bomb or two every year is not a clear and present threat in my book. The IRA were far more deadly.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1965603 - 09/30/03 10:22 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I am resentful that you automatically stereotype me as some small
town hick. You mistake me for some dumb, beer-drinking, football
loving pro-American zealot. Ironically, you could not be further
from the truth. That attitude makes you appear to be a pretensious
elitist. I do have a passport. I have been to Europe, most major
cities in the United States, and I have met Muslims.


I apologize for making assumptions. I'm clearly in the wrong on that point. All I can say in my defense is that, after having that horrible day seared in my memory forever, after smelling that toxic cloud and seeing the F-15s flying over Manhattan, to have anybody say to me "have you heard of September 11?" is more than enough to make me go ballistic.

I think you're a decent enough guy--I wouldn't have spent so much time and care on my posts if I didn't think so. All I'm asking for, pleading for in fact, is an end to these knee-jerk "string 'em all up" kind of remarks that just seem to explode out of some otherwise very reasonable observations. I suspect that you don't even really mean them in your heart of hearts, but rhetoric unfortunately has a way of taking on a life of its own. The cool application of justice, and not blind revenge, is the only hope for our future as a race.

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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1966243 - 09/30/03 01:49 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

honestly i wont bite my tongue about 9/11, i dont give a fuck about it. do i kno people that died there? yes. my skool was like less than 15 blox away. wutever, shit happens. even the greatest country in the world has it coming to them. it happens to everyone, its another hurdle, thats it. tell me, israeli troops fire tank shells at young kids on palestinan streets, why dont we see this in the media? this worse than the attacks on 9/11. this shows less humanity, the people that staged the attack had virtually no reason except for the US being filled with "infidels" the tank gunner had no reason other than the kids throwing rocks at tanks. its funny to me now, how we all reach for our own. the day the United States truly recieves theirs... nvm.

this is basically an underground world war.

as for Arafat, its one of those things all people besides palestinians wont be happy with. he donates blood its "to make him self look good" he doesnt sympathize with the US and hes an asshole. in the eyes of the palestinian people including myself Arafat is fuckin HERO! he picked up the torch when noone would step up to the plate. its like the fuckin revolutionary war. hey if civilians must die then they must, its fate. many palestinian civilians die as well, shit civilians die getting hit by drunk drivers. what is done about that? fate is master of all things. hey its all good 9 years is what i say.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
    #1966260 - 09/30/03 01:56 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

oh and randall noone is being demonized. and in my eyes the palestinians are not the underdogs. look at the fuckin TV, they are agressors, the israelis are just "defending". ahh strange bittersweet exsistance. i used to take a non biased standpoint on the issue. but after a good while of analyzing the situation its not hard to see which side to side with. its like the skins say "might makes right" if the jews have the might then let them smite my palestinian brethren and end it. but as for now we may not have missles and tanks but we have the mental might the israelis lack.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
    #1966291 - 09/30/03 02:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

wow echo! that blew my mind, laudable response.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
    #1966337 - 09/30/03 02:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Arafat should have taken the deal Barok made several years ago.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1966378 - 09/30/03 02:32 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

i disagree. i think Arafat should be the one setting the standards for deals,and the israelis sould be the one agreeing to them. and the israelis obviously dont want much peace anyway because they consistently elect horrible leaders. neither this guy or the last wanted peace, its all pretend over there and not just from 1 side, both sides are pretending they want peace. both sides want it all or nothing, and what israel offers is always a slap in the face.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
    #1966420 - 09/30/03 02:43 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

It would seem that they both deserve each other.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
    #1966444 - 09/30/03 02:55 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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and the israelis obviously dont want much peace anyway



Israel did not hesitate to trade land for peace when Anwar Sadat switched from showing bad intentions to showing good intentions.

Arafat on the other hand has not during the past 35 years shown any credible evidence that he aspires to be anything more than a terrorist.

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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1966683 - 09/30/03 04:18 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Baby-possibly, except that before the occupation it was a place of relative peace

rhizoid- land for peace? haha please did u see what land they wanted to trade for "peace"? sadat is a fucking pawn, he is weak and he should be dealt with as such, sadat is not a palestinian he is an israeli in disguise. sadat only wants to be held in high status for if/when peace is made he is in charge of palestine.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1966979 - 09/30/03 05:53 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Lets go back about 2 years ago before 9/11. Heck, lets just go back to the 1990's. Remember, Gary Conditt, and all that. Even with the infamous Tel Aviv Disco suicide bombing in July; there was hardly anyone bitching and complaining about Islam and Muslims. Sure, the Arab/Israeli conflict continued, the Muslims fought their civil wars with each other in peace, and no one seemed to mind that Muslims in Chechnya were taking up arms against Russian soldiers - and heck, Muslims who fought the Serbs in Bosnia were commended as heroes!

But, 9/11 had to happen, and however it did happen, it happened. 19, obviously sub-par intelligent Muslim fundamentalists got lucky. Not only did they manage to get inside the United States, they managed to take flying lessons even while the FBI was aware of it - and above that carry out the 9/11 strike. Now, these guys were dumb and morally indiscriminate. They frequented bars, and bought pay-per-view pornography with the excuse they were "blending in with the enemy". One of the operatives even bragged about being a pilot when someone at a bar got tough with him. Finally, everyone was commanded not to pay attention to the people on the plane, even the women and children, because "they must be sacrificed in order to strike the enemy". If THIS was Islam, America would have a crisis on its hand - each chapter in the Qur'an opens with "In the name of Allah, who is Most Merciful, Most Compassionate", and somehow these fanatics think they have it all figured out. Yes, there are Muslim terrorists. But when people dwell on this, they hardly take a minute to look at the political strife that is embeded in the Muslim world. It's third world, and it's horrible, and all the people have to keep themselves from going completely insane is al-Islam.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Xlea321]
    #1967269 - 09/30/03 07:18 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
When a tragedy occurs that happens to the "enemies" of Muslims, they laugh and cheer

Strange, I'm sure I saw Yasser Arafat giving blood to help the people of New York after Sep 11.




Your killing me Alex. That was a political move by him for sure. You aren't dense enough to believe he did it cause he cared.

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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: shakta]
    #1967326 - 09/30/03 07:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Even if it was a political move, it's no different than the 'good deeds' politicians from every wing of the globe like to boast about.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Solitude]
    #1967377 - 09/30/03 07:47 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Solitude said:
i disagree. i think Arafat should be the one setting the standards for deals,and the israelis sould be the one agreeing to them. and the israelis obviously dont want much peace anyway because they consistently elect horrible leaders. neither this guy or the last wanted peace, its all pretend over there and not just from 1 side, both sides are pretending they want peace. both sides want it all or nothing, and what israel offers is always a slap in the face.




You continue to defy logic and fact with every post you make. Barek offered Arafat the farm. He decided to through it in the Israelis face and start a war. The Israelis decided the peace process was not going to work so they elected one of their best military generals in their history to take care of the problem. I just wonder why he hasn't.

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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1968178 - 09/30/03 11:47 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Arafat on the other hand has not during the past 35 years shown any credible evidence that he aspires to be anything more than a terrorist.

Check out the 93 peace agreement. To say a "terrorist" would agree to something as humiliating as that for the palestinians is beyond the realms of belief.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: shakta]
    #1968179 - 09/30/03 11:48 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Your killing me Alex. That was a political move by him for sure. You aren't dense enough to believe he did it cause he cared.

How many times have you met Arafat and discussed this with him?


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Xlea321]
    #1968326 - 10/01/03 12:31 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

How may times have you met G.W.?


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1968340 - 10/01/03 12:35 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
How may times have you met G.W.?




We all know Bush, he is the leader the United States; the free world. We hardly know a thing about Arafat except what's reported in the mass media. Can anyone here even name Arafat's cabinet?


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Zahid]
    #1968355 - 10/01/03 12:38 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

All we know about Bush is what we see on the Tee Vee as well.


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Re: The REAL problem with the Middle East [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1968611 - 10/01/03 02:23 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

"All we know about Bush is what we see on the Tee Vee as well. "


well try writing gorge w bush in a search engine???

anyway, not all of us know little about bush, hell there is so much to know, LIKE HE DID BUSSINESS WITH OSAMAS BROTHER!!!!!(back in texas)

his family are a bunch of NAZI's!


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