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Offlinelysergic
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Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing?
    #1947467 - 09/24/03 12:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I have an open question for everyone who's taken it upon themsellves to lambast the Bush administration for every decision that was made in order to support the security of the AMerican people. What would you do?

It's quite easy to have a dislike for someone (as you all seem to be brainwashed into doing) and hate every action of his, but it's much harder to use the same events that he is responding to, and tell what your reaction would be. Would you have gone into AFghanistan? Would you have gone into Iraq? How would you have dealt with Saddam? Osama? 9/11? Saudi complicity in the attacks?

I'm sure that the answer will revolve around how evil Bush is, and his ties to aliens, the CIA, and the Taliban, but see if you can think "outside the box". Every action of Bush's that you criticize, tell what you'd do in lieu of that, and what you think the possible ramifications would be.


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: lysergic]
    #1947480 - 09/24/03 12:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Would you have gone into AFghanistan?

absolutely.

Would you have gone into Iraq?

i don't think so.

How would you have dealt with Saddam?

i'm not sure.

Osama?

the same way our current administration has.

9/11?

without the patriot act.

Saudi complicity in the attacks?

what do you mean? i'm thinking this... the saudis are an ally of ours and they helped out in the persian gulf war. i imagine that this infuriates bin laden (who is a saudi himself)... i'm guessing he probably chose to use saudis in the attacks hoping it would strain US\saudi ties. i haven't seen any evidence that the saudi government is at all responsible, directly or indirectly, for the attacks.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: ]
    #1947515 - 09/24/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

mushmaster - The Saudi Govt might not have been directly conspirators in the 9/11 attacks, but I assure you that what they do is worse. Their offical state religion, Wahhabism, preaches the destruction of all non-Islamic things. The only religion that they allow their subjects (yes, subjects, it's a kindgom) to be open to is their own offical form of extremist Islam. They foment and cause all of the anti-west hated in the area.


[edit] - The Saudis don't cause ALL of the anti-west hatred in the area.


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


Edited by lysergic (09/24/03 12:44 PM)


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: lysergic]
    #1947516 - 09/24/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What is needed most is a fundamental change in foreign (and domestic) policy, a return to the ideals upon which the nation was founded. We should stop all funneling of taxpayer funds to foreign governments, bring our troops home, stop using taxpayer monies to promote certain well connected businesses overseas (and at home) and pursue a policy of strict neutrality unless our country is directly threatened or attacked. Contrary to the intellectual mush spewed by the propagandists, most of our enemies do not hate us for our freedoms or successes, but for our meddling in the affairs of other nations, for supporting oppressive regimes or taking sides in international disputes which are none of our business.

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Would you have gone into AFghanistan?



Yes.

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Would you have gone into Iraq?



No.

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How would you have dealt with Saddam?



See intitial paragraph.

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Osama?



Have him hunted down, offer large cash incentives for his capture.

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9/11?



No Patriot Act, see first paragraph.

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Saudi complicity in the attacks?



See first paragraph. I would also put a hit out on anyone who intelligence showed was complicit in the attacks.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1947537 - 09/24/03 12:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I agree 100%...Except that I wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan...


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Edited by Rono (09/24/03 12:50 PM)


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Rono]
    #1947573 - 09/24/03 01:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Autonomous - Should we have participated in the European campaign in WWII? Why or why not?


I feel like I'm a history teacher writing my essay exam :smile:


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Rono]
    #1947596 - 09/24/03 01:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

why not afghanistan?


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: ]
    #1947604 - 09/24/03 01:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Because the Taliban was willing to turn Osama over if the U.S. provided proof of his connection to 9-11...and you know what? The U.S. refused, then proceeded to bomb the hell out of Afghanistan. Now I'm not sure what your response would be, but I would damn well ask for some kind proof before I handed someone over...and contrary to what you think, Osama is not the head of the Taliban...


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: lysergic]
    #1947982 - 09/24/03 02:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Should we have participated in the European campaign in WWII? Why or why not?

No problem waging wars against people invading other countries.

BIG problem waging wars against helpless countries on the basis of intelligence everyone with half a brain knew was fucking cowshit.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: lysergic]
    #1947988 - 09/24/03 02:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

How would you have dealt with Osama?

This may sound crazy but hear me out....maybe..you know just maybe..and i know this is coming from way of left-field but...

HOW ABOUT CATCHING HIM?

Sorry...i know that must sound like really wild. Er...lets invade North Korea instead, that'll teach Osama...


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948019 - 09/24/03 03:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"HOW ABOUT CATCHING HIM?"

Heh,

Maybe the CIA could have just not let him go when they visited him in the pakistani hospital after they had already recieved information that the attack was being planned.

Or perhaps, they shouldnt have used US funds to ferry his family out of the US less then a week after sept. 11th. Or maybe, Daddy bush shouldnt have been in bed with his family and supporters through the Carlysle group and made them millions of dollars that went to support terrorist orgainizations.

Would you have gone into AFghanistan?
No. See Rono's reply.

Would you have gone into Iraq?
No. See autonomous' first paragraph

How would you have dealt with Saddam?
See Autonomous' first paragraph.

Osama?
Same

9-11
I would have taken the higher road for once and acknowledged that our imperialistic policies had alienated the rest of the world so much that this was all that they could do to show us the havok we have inflicted on their lives. This country is extremely blessed considering how it treats the rest of the world and it's about time we realize how blessed we were.

Saudi complicity in the attacks?
Pursued alternate energy sources so we werent so dependant on a country that even though 90% of the hijackers were from there, escaped scot free. Even though Bin Laden is directly connected to the Saudi Royal family and a good deal of his fortune was amassed in connection with them.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1948078 - 09/24/03 03:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Nah, we can't CATCH HIM psilo, that would mean we'd actually have done something about terrorism. Much better to keep him out there as a bogeyman.

Then we can have "NORTH KOREA - IF WE DON'T INVADE THEY'LL SUPPLY OSAMA WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!".

I can see a pattern developing...


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: lysergic]
    #1948556 - 09/24/03 06:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Would you have gone into AFghanistan?
yes

Would you have gone into Iraq?
no

How would you have dealt with Saddam?
containment - it works

Osama?
same thing we're doing now, except there would be more resources directed towards his capture, instead of the ousting of Saddam

9/11?
pretty much what's happening now, minus the patriot act

Saudi complicity in the attacks?
if there was solid evidence, go after those involved


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1948649 - 09/24/03 06:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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9-11
I would have taken the higher road for once and acknowledged that our imperialistic policies had alienated the rest of the world so much that this was all that they could do to show us the havok we have inflicted on their lives. This country is extremely blessed considering how it treats the rest of the world and it's about time we realize how blessed we were.





I just want to make sure I udnertsand this. you think that the response to 9/11 was to plead guilty to the rest of the world? If so, your ignorance is too deep for me to ponder. I'll cease to contact you, and thank you to not reply to anything that I say.

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Saudi complicity in the attacks?
Pursued alternate energy sources so we werent so dependant on a country that even though 90% of the hijackers were from there, escaped scot free. Even though Bin Laden is directly connected to the Saudi Royal family and a good deal of his fortune was amassed in connection with them.




Even tho bin-Laden is hated by the Saudi's, and was expelled by them? Great post as usual! Your brillance and world knowledge, well, you really understand what degree of both you have reading your posts.


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1948730 - 09/24/03 06:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ummm... I thought only Liberals were supposed to respond to the questions. If Autonomous and mushmaster get to answer, can I play, too?

pinky


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Phred]
    #1948796 - 09/24/03 06:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Knock yourself out. As a liberal, I celebrate diversity.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1948809 - 09/24/03 07:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Knock yourself out. As a liberal, I celebrate diversity.



Many do. Until it's forced.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Phred]
    #1948817 - 09/24/03 07:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm more of a 'Classical' Liberal. I do not consider myself a conservative as conservatives usually are conserving the statist quo.


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1948879 - 09/24/03 07:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

jesus this forum as turned into the freevibe of politics


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Re: Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1948886 - 09/24/03 07:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"statist" quo -- clever!

pinky


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