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Synth Ethics
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Ball or Kerr jars in canada?
#17270109 - 11/23/12 05:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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hi everyone, I'm slowly planning my second PF-Tek grow and I refuse to re-use the Bernardin jars that I have. it's always a hassle to get the cake out and they end up bruised or worse 
I see Ball and Kerr make jars with a better shape but I can't find any in canada without paying an absurd 20-30$ shipping rates 
so if you know any online canadian store that sell them or even a other brand that I could look up it' would be much appreciated.
thanks.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Synth Ethics]
#19469729 - 01/24/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am going to bump this thread, and see if you were able to find a retailer with those jars in the end (or anyone else). If not I'll try to hunt some down cause I've got my first batch in Bernardin Jars right now and I'm starting to worry about getting them out after reading all the threads on them.
Also I'd prefer not to go to Wallmart.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: glubglub]
#19469785 - 01/24/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can only ever find bernardin jars locally.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: vikingsc] 1
#19469789 - 01/24/14 10:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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PP5 zip-lock plastics.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Camtaro420]
#19469850 - 01/24/14 10:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: PP5 zip-lock plastics.
I'm new at this so I'll have to read up on that, I've only been researching BRF cakes in mason jars. Do they sterilize alright in the pressure cooker without melting? Anyways I'm sure there's a write up somewhere with all the directions I could find.
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Camtaro420
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: glubglub]
#19469883 - 01/24/14 10:47 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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glubglub said:
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Camtaro420 said: PP5 zip-lock plastics.
I'm new at this so I'll have to read up on that, I've only been researching BRF cakes in mason jars. Do they sterilize alright in the pressure cooker without melting? Anyways I'm sure there's a write up somewhere with all the directions I could find.
Yup. You can use em just like glass. Just make sure to get Zip-lock or Glad so you know both the top and bottom are both PP5(that's the # in the little recycle triagle)
Super cheap!

We're talking a 7 pack for like 3$
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Camtaro420]
#19469886 - 01/24/14 10:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh and welcome to shroomery.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Camtaro420]
#19470044 - 01/24/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm liking the sound of this. Do you cook them sealed? Or poke holes in the lid and cover with foil? and I'm guessing to elevate it off the bottom of the cooker or it will melt to the bottom. 1hr cook time enough?
Pretty sure that's all the questions I have.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: glubglub]
#19470183 - 01/25/14 12:26 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is how I do pp5 containers:
 With RTV for self healing injection points and Tyvek for gas exchange. You can still do PF tek this way. No need for the dry verm layer without any open holes. Even with regular jars you want to elevate off of the bottom with extra jar lids or whatever. In a PC an hour is good. Steam sterilizing you want 90-120 minutes. pp5 sterilize slightly faster than glass jars.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: vikingsc]
#19470216 - 01/25/14 12:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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glubglub said: I'm liking the sound of this. Do you cook them sealed? Or poke holes in the lid and cover with foil? and I'm guessing to elevate it off the bottom of the cooker or it will melt to the bottom. 1hr cook time enough?
Pretty sure that's all the questions I have.
I poked 4 holes in mine with a nail just like regular jars but not with a hammer, I used a heat source(lantern) and carefully heated the nail and melted the holes through the lid in N,S,E,W sections just like you would with glass PF tek.
When putting em in the steamer/PC you do exactly the same as you would if it was a glass jar, yes you cover with foil. Yes you keep it in the PC/steamer until cool.
you wanna keep anything you're sterilizing in a cooker of any kind out of the water and off of the pan away from the heating element at the bottom.
As for cook time, I am not 100% sure. I will prolly be cooking mine at 15 PSI for 90 minutes just like I did my glass ones. But will double check.
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vikingsc said: This is how I do pp5 containers:
 With RTV for self healing injection points and Tyvek for gas exchange. You can still do PF tek this way. No need for the dry verm layer without any open holes. Even with regular jars you want to elevate off of the bottom with extra jar lids or whatever. In a PC an hour is good. Steam sterilizing you want 90-120 minutes. pp5 sterilize slightly faster than glass jars.
No offense to this guy or anything but seems like a lot of extra work that you are doing just to not have a dry verm layer.
OP if you follow this tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324
The only difference is use the PP5 plastics. Make sure they are a half pint wide style like this


They are a tiny bit wider instead of taller like the glass ones. and use either a twist or snap lid.
A dry verm layer is more then enough, I'd suggest using surgical micropore tape as well during the first few weeks of colonization. IF you need more GE towards the end because of stalling you can just pop the top since you have a dry verm layer.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7092472#7092472
RTV silicone and shit like that is for grain jars and reusable glass. (Even though these plastics are reusable, you don't need to over complicate it with all that crap. These are cakes we're talking about here)
a quarter inch more cake is not worth all the work put into it. Dry verm is more then enough.
Edited by Camtaro420 (01/25/14 12:45 AM)
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Camtaro420]
#19470271 - 01/25/14 01:01 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Regular PF tek dry verm style works fine. These are shakeable though and can be used for more than just PF tek.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: glubglub]
#19470297 - 01/25/14 01:09 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Right on, thanks guys very helpful. I'm going to pick up some Tupperware tomorrow and give this a try.
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Camtaro420
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: vikingsc]
#19470298 - 01/25/14 01:10 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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vikingsc said: Regular PF tek dry verm style works fine. These are shakeable though and can be used for more than just PF tek.
Oh I see. In that case ya that's pretty badass keeping yo shit all compatible. Seen some awesome square cakes and then using them for WBS spawn is hella legit.
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Camtaro420
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: glubglub]
#19470302 - 01/25/14 01:11 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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glubglub said: Right on, thanks guys very helpful. I'm going to pick up some Tupperware tomorrow and give this a try.
Awesome choice OP! I was planning on inoculating mine earlier this week but now I need to figure out if i'll be staying here at my home long enough for that.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Camtaro420]
#19470315 - 01/25/14 01:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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What i did for my first PFtek, was just recycling any glass jars that turned up in the kitchen, pickle jars condiments etc Then at 100% colonization just smash the glass with a hammer, becaue those usually have a narrow mouth Still doing that, but now that i switched to grains i dont have to smash em anymore
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Synth Ethics]
#19470574 - 01/25/14 03:18 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can use the bernadarin or wutever the fuck there called they pop out after consolidating just a little more of a pain in the ass
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: cronicr]
#19472185 - 01/25/14 01:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I sometimes have to use a butter knife and pry them out the last little bit.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: vikingsc]
#19472250 - 01/25/14 01:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Safeway has them in my city. Canadian tire usually has a lot of jars in stock too.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: Saucefraud]
#19472300 - 01/25/14 02:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Canadian Tire here had Bernardin jars.
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Re: Ball or Kerr jars in canada? [Re: vikingsc]
#19472380 - 01/25/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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They're not "PP5" containers, they're polypropylene, or just PP. The 5 is only a recycling code.
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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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