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fluffheadd
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trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty?
#19458065 - 01/22/14 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Title really says it all. I know some are not the easiest.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: fluffheadd]
#19459369 - 01/22/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Could you be a bit more specific? What problems are you having, getting it to root?
Temps in your area?
It's in dry soil right?
Fully calloused?
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: theMallacht]
#19461116 - 01/23/14 06:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im sorry I didnt word that the best. Im wanting to get a cutting. Dont have one yet. Just curious if anyone has grew from cutting with this specific trich. Iv read some of the bigger column cactus are harder to root. Or if I would have better luck just tryn to find a rooted specimen.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: fluffheadd]
#19462148 - 01/23/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obviously it's probably easier to get an already rooted plant. I don't know much of anything about Terscheckii, but I was of the understanding that the bigger the plant, the easier it is to root. For instance a 4'' cutting would be difficult to get to root, while a 10'' might be easier. I'd wait for a more experienced member to chime in, but that's my understanding.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: Magicman69]
#19462268 - 01/23/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm guessing they are harder to root than other Tricks. You should get one on in a one gallon pot. If you try to reroot one it will not look as good as one that was never rerooted.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: lwheidt]
#19462531 - 01/23/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Magicman69 said: the bigger the plant, the easier it is to root.
This is correct. I would recommend trying to root at least 8" or more. Anything 6" or below is typically going to take significantly longer.
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lwheidt said: I'm guessing they are harder to root than other Tricks. You should get one on in a one gallon pot.
No Trich, from my understanding/experience, is any more difficult to root than any other Trich. Just keep it in dry soil and let it root, there really isn't much to it at all, pretty foolproof.
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lwheidt said: If you try to reroot one it will not look as good as one that was never rerooted.
This is completely incorrect. When they root they tend to look a little bit thinner for a short period, but then they grow out of it and after a while you don't even notice it. Some of my bridgesii that were planted in ground over 5 years ago are now huge, woody stumps at the bottom. There's no way anyone would even be able to tell they were originally from a cutting now.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: theMallacht]
#19462653 - 01/23/14 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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fluffheadd said: Iv read some of the bigger column cactus are harder to root.
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Magicman69 said: the bigger the plant, the easier it is to root.
This is correct. I would recommend trying to root at least 8" or more. Anything 6" or below is typically going to take significantly longer.
I believe fluffheadd is referring to the general morphological size of the species, not the size (ie length) of the actual cutting. I think that I have heard the same thing that he suggests, though I don't think it is so much that they are more difficult to root, but rather that they take longer to root. I have no direct experience with terschekii cuttings however, so I'm not sure of the accuracy of this.
I'd probably recommend obtaining a specimen on its own roots. Baseball sized specimens are relatively common, and usually take off with columnar growth at that size.
If you're looking for something more mature then go ahead with the cutting.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: kykeion]
#19463383 - 01/23/14 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kykeion got me I was referreing to over all size not just length. And yea it is easier to get a rooted but more expensive from what iv seen unfortunately. I do got a small guy but I was wantin one a tad bigger. Thanks everyone
Edited by fluffheadd (01/23/14 04:25 PM)
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: fluffheadd]
#19463869 - 01/23/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigger columns isn't harder to root, they just can take up to one year before they start to produce roots..
This "problem" can be also with very big san pedro column let's say about one meter tall and fat.. One season isn't even enough to get cutting push out roots so one reason some people use rooting hormone to very big columns of san pedro is just the fact they have no reason to grow roots cause they have enough water in storage anyway and cutting will stay alive..
It is usually said dehydration causes rooting and what I have experienced, bigger the plant section is, longer the rooting takes..
I have rooted very small trichs for grafting stock, so small actually some people would say they are too small for cutting.. Very small cuttings can root in few days and very big cuttings can take over one year before they push out roots.
I have never rooted terscheckii nor seen big one but I think the problem is actual size of column and it's huge water storage why it feels they doesn't root. I think big column of terscheckii have just lots of water in the plant it doesn't start to root so fast.. I don't say dehydration is always the case but usually what I have experience cuttings will shrink a bit before they're start push the roots out.
I have also find out some rooting hormones seems to dehydrate the cactus, reason for that I don't know why.. Colex gel cause this and it is used got get bigger columns to root faster. Smaller plants can die to clonex and some growers have said clonex "drain life" out from cactus and after gel have been add they starts to shrink very fast.
So I don't know will this rooting hormone gel trigger the rooting trough rooting hormones or simply just trough dehydration... But every plant I have used clonex, cuttings shrink so fast smaller cuttings die before they root and bigger cuttings are only good specimens to use this hormone.
Anyway, I think with some rooting hormone, big column of terscheckii should not be so hard to root. Atleast rooting hormone should cut the time and get plant rooting faster than without.
I have tested clonex to two same size cuttings from same clone, another was without and another was add the gel. Cutting what had the gel started to shrink in few days and cutting without hormone stay firm long time.. With these cuttings I tried it, I doesn't find out clonex speed up the rooting but actual root growth was very aggressive to cutting what have been got some clonex. I just don't know why clonex cause the cutting shrink very fast but I have read it's good for use "too big cuttings" to speed up the process, smaller cuttings like one foot section I don't see clonex or any other rooting hormone is necessary..
I have heard from few nurseries and use of rooting hormone.. Some nurseries see using rooting hormone it's only necessary if cutting is very big and they need to get plant root before new dormant season beginning. I don't see why not to use rooting hormone to big columns like terscheckii to get them rooting faster and grow more roots faster.
Maybe without rooting hormones big columns(several kilogram weight) seems to be hard to root because they simply just take their own time before plant starts to even need more water and roots to collect the water. Just my theory about why big columns doesn't root fast or can take over one season to root. There are still some evidence from nurseries and one is from USA and that nursery have write about clonex use for big columns because san pedro doesn't root fast if it's big and because of business, they need to be rooted before new dormant season starts. I can't say what nursery I'm talking about because it's not sponsor of this forum and therefor I can't show the actual link for site where is used clonex to big trichocereus columns just because they otherwise take over one year to root.
I don't see below 6inch cuttings takes longer to root.. Actually I have seen some short cuttings roots faster but growth rate is not so great if cutting is very small. Actual rooting can happen fast, but compared to one foot cutting there is no reason to take 6inch cutting because they just don't start grow so fast compared to bigger cutting.. Even small cutting can root faster, they loose the effective when cuttings starts to grow... Also I think this depends is the plant fat or elongated one.. I have rooted quite fast below 6inch elongated sections(trichs and blue myrtle) for root stock to grow peyote buttons.
Anyway, otherwise I don't see reason to take below 8inch cuttings if the actual plant is not used for root stock or anything.. They just don't start to grow so fast when they are small even rooting can happen in one week(rarely but I have seen that)
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: intelligentlife]
#19464711 - 01/23/14 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Clonex, great stuff... I've never used it on cacti though. I will have to give this a try.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: theMallacht]
#19465123 - 01/23/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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theMallacht said: Clonex, great stuff... I've never used it on cacti though. I will have to give this a try.
I have started to use it after I read one USA nursery (mostly for trichs) write about it and how good it is for big columns.
I usually add it to one week old callous.. It speeds up the actual growth of roots and instead of few root buds after clonex roots come out from cutting like crowded pack of worms!
Also it's easy to add to cacti because it's gel, not powder. Paint brush is very good to add it.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: intelligentlife]
#19465225 - 01/23/14 10:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good advice. Thanks man.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: theMallacht]
#19466723 - 01/24/14 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I totally understand your desire to acquire a larger specimen fluffheadd.
I have two terscheckiis. The first one I got 3 to 4 years ago was about the size of a baseball. Since then it has grown to about the size of a grapefruit. I did notice that it has begun to take on more columnar growth last season, so hopefully this season it will put out some vertical growth.
I also have a golf ball sized specimen that I have had for about a year which I have seen no noticeable growth on. I don't really expect to see this one do much for several years.
I don't think terscheckiis grow much faster than lophs do.
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Re: trichocereus terscheckii from cutting difficulty? [Re: kykeion]
#19466975 - 01/24/14 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are lots of variety along terscheckii, some can stay cobular longer time than another. Reason for this is not known. When these plants are small feels they are not growing at all but at some point they starts to grow fast.
Actual growth rate of terscheckii first years are very hard to estimate.
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