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Mono tub too dry??
    #19466149 - 01/24/14 05:24 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure if it's too dry. She's got some pins but it'll have to be dunked for the next flush I'm just curious if it'll be a good first flush.


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: Bumbaclotjohnson]
    #19466158 - 01/24/14 05:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Im not sure either, as there is no way to tell from the picture given. Kinda looks ok.

Did you apply a casing layer after full colonization or did you just fruit before 100%?

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19466173 - 01/24/14 05:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Yup cased it at what looked to be full colonization then a few days later I had them pins


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: Bumbaclotjohnson]
    #19466183 - 01/24/14 05:48 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Judging from the condensation that's pretty damp.

I also don't see the signs of drying (blue bruising in large areas, cracked fruits, etc.)

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: cli_hlt]
    #19466206 - 01/24/14 06:06 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Judging from the condensation that's pretty damp.



The condensation is from the temperature differential, not the moisture in the sub, or the humidity.

The moisture on the walls tells you absolutely nothing about the moisture in the substrate.

You can have lots of condensation and a very dry substrate.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19468370 - 01/24/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Would dunking at this point help?


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: Bumbaclotjohnson]
    #19468387 - 01/24/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

No, just let it fruit.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19468413 - 01/24/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Then dunk it for 12 hours after I harvest?


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: Bumbaclotjohnson]
    #19468430 - 01/24/14 04:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Dunk bulk for no more than 2-3 hours.

Or just mist heavily after each flush.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19468455 - 01/24/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Word do you think the second flush will be more even?


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: Bumbaclotjohnson] * 1
    #19468519 - 01/24/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19468567 - 01/24/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Lol I feel much better now


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19480001 - 01/27/14 03:39 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that's right (condensation-moisture-temperature difference).

However, when u do a tub, condensation _mostly_ means good humidity. It COULD mean it's cold outside, but it's rare.

So yeah, check temperature, and mist to be on the safe side.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: cli_hlt]
    #19480007 - 01/27/14 03:40 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, that's right (condensation-moisture-temperature difference).

However, when u do a tub, condensation _mostly_ means good humidity. It COULD mean it's cold outside, but it's rare.

So yeah, check temperature, and mist to be on the safe side.



all the condensation really tells you is you have good fae, the moist surface on your sub tells you you got good humidity


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: cli_hlt]
    #19480313 - 01/27/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, that's right (condensation-moisture-temperature difference).

However, when u do a tub, condensation _mostly_ means good humidity.



No, it doesn't.

It means that the substrate is producing heat, and the air inside the tub is warmer than the air outside the tub.

Even if there was only 20% humidity, with that temperature differential there would still be condensation.

SGFC have 90%+ humidity at all times and NEVER has condensation.  How does that work?

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19480348 - 01/27/14 08:03 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Yes but shotguns have perlite right?

So in a mono tub without perlite is the heat of the mycelium itself and the condensation it produces not actually a big part of what creates moisture in the tub, which in turn creates humidity?

Correct me if I am wrong here hacker, as I am actually asking you and certainly not telling, but surely the condensation created by the heat of the substrate also plays at least some role in creating humidity? Any water in the air or the tub must raise humidity levels no?

So does a mono tub with heavy condensation not (moisture) create higher levels of humidity in any way at all?

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: wolf8312]
    #19480364 - 01/27/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes but shotguns have perlite right?



Yes, but this has nothing to do with condensation.

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So in a mono tub without perlite is the heat of the mycelium itself and the condensation it produces not actually a big part of what creates moisture in the tub, which in turn creates humidity?



Yes, the colonizing/fruiting mycellium generates 10+ degrees of heat easily.

Evaporation of moisture in the substrate is what creates humidity in a monotub....just like in a SGFC where evaporation of moisture on the perlite creates humidity.

The amount of condensation on the walls is irrelevant.

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Correct me if I am wrong here hacker, as I am actually asking you and certainly not telling, but surely the condensation created by the heat of the substrate also plays at least some role in creating humidity? Any water in the air or the tub must raise humidity levels no?



The condensation is moisture that has condensed out of the air and onto the walls.

This is moisture that has been removed from the air......meaning it has been taken away......this cannot possibly raise the humidity levels, because by definition it has taken moisture OUT of the air.

Now if the water on the walls is allowed to evaporate, it would then go back into the air, raising the RH.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19480407 - 01/27/14 08:34 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes, but this has nothing to do with condensation.




No sorry I was saying that perlite provides humidity not condensation.

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Evaporation of moisture in the substrate is what creates humidity in a monotub....just like in a SGFC where evaporation of moisture on the perlite creates humidity.

The amount of condensation on the walls is irrelevant.




So condensation plays no role whatsoever in rising humidity levels?


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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: wolf8312]
    #19480416 - 01/27/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

No, it is simply a byproduct of a temperature differential.

Condensation actually lowers humidity.(explained above)

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    #19480451 - 01/27/14 08:57 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks dude! But cant quite wrap my head around it, so please bear with me!

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Now if the water on the walls is allowed to evaporate, it would then go back into the air, raising the RH.





Are you saying that if I just leave the condensation alone it would then create higher levels of RH in my tubs through evaporation?

But would that not mean that condensation can indeed raise the humidity? As long as I let it evaporate?

Are u saying that condensation alone may not mean that you have good RH, but that it will -if you wait- eventually produce more humidity in a tub?

But does that not mean that condensation will -if only eventually- create humidity? 

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19480479 - 01/27/14 09:10 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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Yeah, that's right (condensation-moisture-temperature difference).

However, when u do a tub, condensation _mostly_ means good humidity.



No, it doesn't.

It means that the substrate is producing heat, and the air inside the tub is warmer than the air outside the tub.

Even if there was only 20% humidity, with that temperature differential there would still be condensation.

SGFC have 90%+ humidity at all times and NEVER has condensation.  How does that work?





to clarify, the temperature differential has to be significant enough to produce condensation if the RH is less than 100%.  A minor temp. difference will not form condensation.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: wolf8312]
    #19480483 - 01/27/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Are you saying that if I just leave the condensation alone it would then create higher levels of RH in my tubs through evaporation?



Only if enough FAE is given to evaporate it.

In a monotub that would mean too much FAE.

The consensus for a monotub is you want condensation on all the walls, except for a slight ring of dryness around each hole.

This ring of dryness is an indicator of having good FAE/circulation.

If you have too much FAE, the rings of dryness will get bigger, the walls will dry up, along with possibly the substrate.

It's like a balancing act lol. Some condensation and some dryness = good conditions.


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But would that not mean that condensation can indeed raise the humidity? As long as I let it evaporate?



There being condensation will not raise humidity.

Evaporation of moisture in general will, and with good FAE this will happen regardless of where the moisture is.

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Are u saying that condensation alone may not mean that you have good RH, but that it will -if you wait- eventually produce more humidity in a tub?



No, not at all.

I am saying that....

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condensation DOES NOT mean that you have good RH



Period.......

A SGFC has 90+% humidity and never has condensation because there is no temperatrure differential, the outside air is the same temperature as the air inside the chamber.

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Re: Mono tub too dry?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19480492 - 01/27/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks hacker! I'd call you pussy fart but I dont want u to take that as an insult! :smile:


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    #19480512 - 01/27/14 09:21 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks dude! But cant quite wrap my head around it, so please bear with me!

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Now if the water on the walls is allowed to evaporate, it would then go back into the air, raising the RH.





Are you saying that if I just leave the condensation alone it would then create higher levels of RH in my tubs through evaporation?

But would that not mean that condensation can indeed raise the humidity? As long as I let it evaporate?

Are u saying that condensation alone may not mean that you have good RH, but that it will -if you wait- eventually produce more humidity in a tub?

But does that not mean that condensation will -if only eventually- create humidity? 

Thanks! :thumbup:




The dew will only evaporate if the temperature of the plastic wall rises above the dew point and the RH is less than 100%.  But like NAH said, that would indicate too much FAE.

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    #19480522 - 01/27/14 09:26 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks hacker! I'd call you pussy fart but I dont want u to take that as an insult! :smile:



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