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Does this make sense to you?
    #19365707 - 01/03/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Verse  1  I  salute  the  Supreme  Self  (Sri  Adinath).  It  was  the  Self
which first taught the brilliant knowledge of Hatha Yoga.
Hathayoga was given as a ladder so he who has the desire
may climb to the highest state of Rajayoga.


Yoga  means  union.  Yoga  is  the  state  of  non-separation  where
there  is  no  “other”.  Yoga,  oneness,  is  the  essential  nature  of  the
Self.  There  is  only  one  Self.  This  is  the  Self  that  is  experiencing
this statement. There is only one experience of Self. There has never
been  an  experience  of  more  than  one  Self.  If  there  had  been  such
an  experience  then  there  must  have  been  a  third  “one  Self’  to
experience  it.  In  the  world  of  manifestation  there  are  many  persons.
There  are  many  things.  There  are  many  objects  and  there  are  many
minds. However, there is only one experience of Self.

It  is  inevitable  for  most  people  to  insist  that  other  Selves  do
exist.  This  is  due  to  long-term  memories  called  Samskars.  There
are many people, as the person is a product of the material universe
which  is  a  universe  of  change  and  apparent  separation.  But  there  is
only one Self. It is transcendental. It is the Supreme.

Self  and  Yoga  are  identical.  The  experience  of  Yoga  is  the
experience  of  Self  and  the  experience  of  Self  is  the  experience  of
Yoga.  In  a  universe  of  division  there  are  levels  of  awareness  and
activity.  The  highest  level  of  experience  is  known  as  Raja.  Every­
thing  we  experience  is  in  fact  the  Self.  Ancient  Yoga  science  and
modem  experimental  science  both  agree  that  everything  we  exper­
ience  is  wholly  and  only  Self.  The  highest  experience  of  Sett'  is
therefore called Rajayoga.

For  most  people  the  experience  of  the  universe  is  partial.  The
mind  is  not  expanded  and  only  certain  aspects  of  the  universe  of
energy  and  matter  are  selected  out  for  perceptual  experience.  The
experience  of  the  Self  is  not  totally  wrong  but  it  is  partial.  As  the
experience  is  not  complete  it  is  misleading  and  therefore  illusory.
For  most  people  the  universe  is  experienced  as  in  continual  change.
Night  and  day,  ripeness  and  rottenness,  inbreath  and  outbreath
follow  each  other  incessantly.  The  universe  is  in  constant  motion
manifesting  in  the  play  of  opposites.  These  cosmic  opposites  can
be  symbolized  by  the  sun  and  the  moon.  Here  the  sun  represents
all  positive,  active  outgoing  manifestation.  The  word  “Ha”  is  used
to  represent  the  archetypal  sun  and  “Tha”  is  used  to  represent  the
archetypal  moon.  The  universe  of  change  is  called  Hatha.  The  exper­-
ience  of  the  Self  projected  out  as  the  universe  of  change  is  Hatha-
yoga.  Hathayoga  as  a  practice  is  the  means  by  which  incessant
change  may  be  stilled  so  that  the  light  of  the  Self  may  shine  through
and the highest state of Rajayoga may be experienced.

Traditionally  Hathayoga  was  first  taught  to  Parvati  by  Shiva.
Shiva  represents  the  aspect  of  the  universe  which  is  changing  from
a  formal  state  of  matter  into  a  diffused  state  of  energy,  in  physics
this  is  known  as  entropy.  One  day  the  entire  universe  will  be  re­-
turned  to  undifferentiated  energy.  Total  disorder,  the  final  state  of
entropy,  turns  out  to  be  a  state  of  perfect  order.1  Shiva  is  re­-
sponsible  for  the  dissolution  of  the  universe.  Shiva  is  symbolized
as  the  “male”  entity  which  directs  these  cosmic  processes.  His
female  half  is  Parvati.  She  symbolizes  the  form  through  which  the
forces  of  dissolution  work.  The  human  personality  is  dissolved  in
the process of laya by the practice of Hathayoga.

Similarly  Rajayoga  was  first  taught  to  Lakshmi  by  Vishnu.  Vishnu
represents  the  processes  which  maintain  the  universe.  The  universe  of
matter  is  maintained  by  communication.  The  nuclei  of  atoms  are
maintained  by  communication  in  the  form  of  mesons,  and  molecules
are  maintained  by  communicating  electrons.  The  human  body  like
all  other  bodies  is  maintained  by  communicating  energies.  In  the
human  body  the  heart  is  responsible  for  continuously  pumping  the
blood  through  the  circulatory  system  to  supply  the  organs  and  cells
with  the  energy  they  need  to  survive  as  a  large  complicated  life  form.
Lakshmi  represents  the  wealth  of  material  form,  which  Vishnu  mani­-
fests.  All  complete  forms  are  whole  systems  which  can  only  be
maintained  by  an  integrated, harmonious  interworking.  Disease  and
communication  breakdown  will  lead  to  a  breakdown  of  the  system
(pinda)  into  its  constituent  sub-systems.  Perfect  communication  is
the  state  of  health,  wholeness.  Perfect  communication  is  commun­-
ion. Communion, meditation and Rajayoga are identical.


Hathapradipika. Kevin and Venika Kingsland (1977), pgs 15-16


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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
    #19365807 - 01/03/14 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It does to me.
I don't subscribe to all the misc entities that practices have.  They're just names :shrug:

Big mind and small mind. Shunryu Suzuki talks about this a lot.
Big mind (self) small mind (ego)

Big mind manifests everything, which is whole.
Small mind is our delusion that we are individual beings living in a separated world.

Yoga is the act of forgetting small mind, but not thinking about big mind.


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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: cez]
    #19365847 - 01/03/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cez said:
Small mind is our delusion that we are individual beings living in a separated world.




What evidence is there that this is true and that we are not just random products of evolution?


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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
    #19365897 - 01/03/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I suppose it's a matter of faith :shrug:

I don't necessarily believe in it but I practice it and enjoy it in a sense (enjoying my practice is still small mind)..So I don't try to fix what's not broken..
Conventional ways if grasping reality (words, thoughts) don't grasp reality completely.  They only reflect it for the briefest moment.  And that reflection is a delusion because that's from your small mind.

Thoughtless action is the whole concept of yoga I think.
It's an experience without labeling/quantifying it as such.


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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
    #19366024 - 01/03/14 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Da2ra said:
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cez said:
Small mind is our delusion that we are individual beings living in a separated world.




What evidence is there that this is true and that we are not just random products of evolution?





None that I've seen.  It's a toss up imo.


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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: Icelander]
    #19366056 - 01/03/14 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with this^

But I also think evolution/science/logic can tell us how but can't pin down the ultimate why.

The rabbit hole always continues I think.
For me there's a sense of comfort in accepting the fact I nor humanity can solve this puzzle by logic alone.


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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
    #19464985 - 01/23/14 09:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the highest experience of Self is not Raja, Raja actually means King, and Raja yoga refers, to the yoga of meditation, of course there are blockages we run into if we meditate on monarchy as our basic yoga, so we much do some jnana yoga, to eliminate even that, and get to the bare essence, just being without ego trying to capture it and make it into a conception, this is the freest and more eternal form of consciousness, of self, but it has no name, or it could have any name, Raja can't be said to be highest experience of self, because its just another form of yoga, within every yoga we can reach the highest point, but just the idea of the yoga itself is only a middle point.

but thank you, these words are sattvic, among a forum that seems to be yogically weighed down with much that is ultimately only ego or just frivolous, though it is true, all of it is divine, and perhaps it is just genius beyond my understanding, but its good to have some traditional, wisdom in the yogic sense also here, my goal is to focus on these branches, and try to grow some useful experience from there, by keeping sattvic company as they say.

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Re: Does this make sense to you? [Re: s240779]
    #19465828 - 01/24/14 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

first of all, yes that makes sense, to me. and especially in the last paragraph about the importance of communication...that's very true. i feel that many things go unsaid in society which in all honesty, we could just come right out and talk about them, and be way healthier for it. sometimes when you say things that normally you would jsut keep in your head, it can be very refreshing.
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the highest experience of Self is not Raja, Raja actually means King, and Raja yoga refers, to the yoga of meditation, of course there are blockages we run into if we meditate on monarchy as our basic yoga, so we much do some jnana yoga, to eliminate even that, and get to the bare essence, just being without ego trying to capture it and make it into a conception, this is the freest and more eternal form of consciousness, of self, but it has no name, or it could have any name, Raja can't be said to be highest experience of self, because its just another form of yoga, within every yoga we can reach the highest point, but just the idea of the yoga itself is only a middle point.

but thank you, these words are sattvic, among a forum that seems to be yogically weighed down with much that is ultimately only ego or just frivolous, though it is true, all of it is divine, and perhaps it is just genius beyond my understanding, but its good to have some traditional, wisdom in the yogic sense also here, my goal is to focus on these branches, and try to grow some useful experience from there, by keeping sattvic company as they say.

Blessings of Ganesha be to you





in the baghavad gita Raja is one of three forms that all energy can go into, which is Tamasic, Rajasic, and Sattvic states of being.

Tamasic is very lazy and ruled by desire, Rajasic is very busy and energetic but also distracted, and Sattvic is the higher state of self awareness and intellectual penetration.

That's just how the Gita partitions it. I learn from it...the words themselves just resonate with me...'sattvic' especially. When in a state of prominent I-awareness I just feel very 'sattvic', very hard to explain though as the state itself is so variable. But it is basically that state where I feel as myself and just alright with the universe, the state i find myself in most of the day unless i'm extra involved with thoughts or something.


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