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highowl
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Anyone into wicca?
#19409955 - 01/12/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well?
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: highowl]
#19410901 - 01/13/14 01:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, briefly, when I was 19. I was convinced that spells can and do work. But once you grok the necessity of dis-identifying with desires and realize the path is to transcend the lower chakra world-views, sympathetic magic appears primitive and childish. As Stewart Ferrar says in his book What Witches Do, 'witchcraft is a low-brow path.' Alex Sanders expanded into ceremonial magick, but he never learned what 'transcendental magick' meant, and he remained terrified of death until he died. The truly spiritual (transcendental) aspect of life seems absent and only the physical and psychic aspects are recognized. While giving some lip-service to the God and Goddess, participation in ritual remains at the mythic level and never seems to approach the mystical.
I for one have never been content to identify solely with the elements of change, with cycles of nature, symbolized by the Moon. Wicca remains within the lunar sphere of influence, Yesod on the Qabalistic Tree, and within the Astral Triangle of Hod-Yesod-Netzach, wherein the God and Goddess are perhaps equivalent to Hod (Hermes-Mercury) and Netzach (Aphrodite-Venus). But a mystical union of the two aspects (Hermaphrodite) never seems to occur in Wiccans whom I've met, and the the development seems weighted on the feminine Moon-Venus aspect. After all, Wicca is a Goddess religion, and is often adopted as a reaction against the one-sided patriarchal religions.
As a Moonchild, astrologically, I am partial to effects of the Moon on my psychophysical being. I appreciate an understanding of subtle dimensions of colors, stones, plants, and familiar animals, so I am not dissing Wicca at all. I too am fascinated by the magick circle, and have more than once prepared magickal tools. I simply was unable to remain within the influence of the lunar sphere, and sought to embody the solar sphere in the Ethical Triangle (Geburah-Tiphereth-Chesed) on the Qabalistic Tree as well. Transcendental influences increase as one 'rises on the planes,' and as I have never been particularly fond of earthly life, of the life of the senses, or particularly comfortable in my body, or with the mysteries of fecundity and birth, I sought paths less 'earthy' and more 'airy,' if you know what I mean. I am, however, very much a 'Hermes' man, and while I have always been most powerfully attracted to 'Aphrodite' women, I require a synthesis of Aphrodite-Athena for an outer relationship to last. I never found such a woman who embraced Wicca, and so here is another realm to which I could not whole-heartedly belong. Alas, I will always feel the lunar attraction of 'witchy women,' but I am as monogamous as I am monist, monotheistic, and monopanentheistic.
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highowl
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no one else??
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: highowl]
#19419094 - 01/14/14 07:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highowl said: well?
wicca way did they go?
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: highowl]
#19420047 - 01/14/14 10:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm in it for the chicks!
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: highowl]
#19420064 - 01/14/14 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wicca wicca wicca wicca
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SalviaGod
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im wiccan...
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MarkostheGnostic said: Yeah, briefly, when I was 19. I was convinced that spells can and do work. But once you grok the necessity of dis-identifying with desires and realize the path is to transcend the lower chakra world-views, sympathetic magic appears primitive and childish.
Your last sentence simultaneously disavows any self-identification with desires while expressing the desire to transcend the lower chakra world-views.
You are correct in that "Low" magick does not produce transcendence. It's not supposed to. Sometimes, satisfying our so-called base, material desires is necessary in order to provide a comfortable foundation in which to pursue the "higher" goals of mysticism and Theurgy. Re: Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
I'm not familiar enough with Wicca to be able to say for sure, but I suspect, like most true magickal traditions, it does not solely involve lowly thaumaturgy and instead, aims at guiding the magickal practitioner through spells and invocation/evocation to subsumption into the One.
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: deCypher]
#19429875 - 01/16/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, I disagree with a transcendental aim in Alexandrian, and probably Gardnerian Wicca, or Ray Buckland's school. No doubt by now, there are other schools. There is an acceptance of one's existence as four elements and spirit (the points of the pentagram), but spirit is not articulated very clearly. There is the sense of a divine dyad - Goddess and God, but I am not aware of a summum bonum that suggests mystical union beyond a nature mysticism - a union with psychophysical nature, not a transcendental reality, not even union with the Goddess and God in a mythic sense. In a hierarchical scheme, mystical unity, suggesting union with a ONE is at the top, then mythic participation (enacted in symbolic rituals), and beneath that magickal participation in nature through shamanic identification with spirits, elemental powers.
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: SalviaGod]
#19429927 - 01/16/14 07:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SalviaGod said: im wiccan...
From Wiccalvania?
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I was convinced that spells can and do work. But once you grok the necessity of dis-identifying with desires and realize the path is to transcend the lower chakra world-views, sympathetic magic appears primitive and childish.
I once manifested a new Lambo. B-o-r-i-n-g!
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I was convinced that spells can and do work. But once you grok the necessity of dis-identifying with desires and realize the path is to transcend the lower chakra world-views, sympathetic magic appears primitive and childish.
I once manifested a new Lambo. B-o-r-i-n-g! 
Lamborghinis are just primitive and childish, bro. True, enlightened, Ethical-Triangle centered mystic-heads all know that Bugatti Veyrons are the true guru's sports car of choice.
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: highowl]
#19464036 - 01/23/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highowl said: well?
I'm into Stevie Nicks, does that count?
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Re: Anyone into wicca? [Re: highowl]
#19464930 - 01/23/14 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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not personally wiccan but I've had a few wiccan friends, pretty cool people, I am hindu, and we agree on the idea of karmic law, which makes friendship easy. the rest is really just aesthetic difference. in the end they are both a form of yoga, just incarnating in different forms.
Ganesha's Blessing Be with us !
Om
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