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greenery1
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Stromrider]
#19465489 - 01/23/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you very much RR!
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bootster


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Re: Layering technique [Re: greenery1]
#19465536 - 01/23/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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spacechildo
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Re: Layering technique [Re: bootster]
#19466057 - 01/24/14 04:02 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is from 7 months ago. Some say personal preference, some say tubs are enclosed and top grains don't dry because of the humid tub. I remember this gif of layering vs mixing where every inoc point moves in 360 deg and finishes much faster than layering. the knitting together and then vengefully taking off was new to me though!
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blthirteenre said: My question is, why don't people mix the grain all throughout the substrate?
They do. Actually I think most prefer to mix instead of layer.

Here's how I spawn to a mono.
Mixing evenly will bring your colonization times down significantly.

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Chris893 said: I think layering is done because it speeds colonization times but I don't have a reference off the top of my head. I keep thinking of watching RR fill the poly tube and laundry basket
It does the opposite. RR layers in the laundry basket so the spawn won't contam during colonization. Same for the "tube" of straw & oyster spawn. We're using fully sealed totes. so exposed grains aren't a problem.
My Monotub tek
Not quoting this to say anyone is right or wrong, just to add to the confusion. lots of tc's has been telling me to mix evenly for a long time, and it's confusing when the rabbit says otherwise..
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PussyFart
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The rabbit is confusing, that I agree.
My substrates fully colonize and are ready to fruit in 7-8 days when mixed evenly with no top layer using a 1-2 ratio.
Show me a layered substrate that does the same.
I can link to literally hundreds of threads where the top layer has taken 2+ weeks to colonize.
Furthermore the whole thing about exposed grains on top of a mixed sub contamming has been debunked by many.
I personally do not see a rise in contams just because I have some grains exposed on top with no top layer.
Take it for what it is.....
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Edited by PussyFart (01/24/14 04:10 AM)
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19466136 - 01/24/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol just trying to learn some new things... And since there is like no way to "just follow" the thread. I just posted that so this one would appear on " my threads "
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Stromrider
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Re: Layering technique [Re: L1ss3rd]
#19466216 - 01/24/14 06:11 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hacker I was trying to get RR to understand that he keeps telling people on here to layer the spawn and substrate and use a top layer of substrate when the concensus here among pretty much everyone is that mixing evenly with no top layer provides better results. Many of us grow cubes in a bulk substrate on a weekly basis and have tried it both ways and have found that it just works much better to mix it evenly. My contam rate was much higher when I was using a top layer. Probably because the tubs took way longer to colonize. I just hate to see him keep telling people that when I've seen how many issues it's caused people. Myself included.
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PussyFart
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Stromrider]
#19466233 - 01/24/14 06:18 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
*** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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spacechildo
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Re: Layering technique [Re: PussyFart]
#19466259 - 01/24/14 06:32 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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the top layer thing shouldn't be a problem if the top layer is really thin. as the mycel spreads out in all angles it should not take any longer to colonize upwards 1/4 or so, as it probably has to colonize 1/4 inch in some direction other spots in the tub as well.
however, if the top layer is a massive inch thick it causes all sorts of trouble..
that's just how I see it, but I might be impartial because I'm "looking for it"
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Stromrider
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Stromrider]
#19466308 - 01/24/14 06:47 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Either way, i get shrooms. So its wtf ever.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Stromrider]
#19466333 - 01/24/14 06:59 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys seriously need to get laid or something.
I've always said the difference between layering and mixing is very little and I do both. Then, you come back and say I keep telling people. . .blah, blah, . . .
As for you guys claiming loads and loads of cubes every week, what are you going to do with all that product? I know of very few people who trip more than once or twice a year, especially on cubes, the second least desirable Psilocybe. The only advantage cubensis has over the other, much more desirable species is it's so toilet-flush simple to grow, anyone can do it.
It makes sense for those claiming all this knowledge and success to quit pissing and moaning about whether a tricycle or bike with training wheels is easier for a beginner to ride. Simply take the training wheels off and learn to grow a more difficult species so you'll have something to actually brag about.  RR
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RogerRabbit said: You guys seriously need to get laid or something. RR
Not denying this.....
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
*** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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gornyhuy
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RogerRabbit said: You guys seriously need to get laid or something.
I've always said the difference between layering and mixing is very little and I do both. Then, you come back and say I keep telling people. . .blah, blah, . . .
As for you guys claiming loads and loads of cubes every week, what are you going to do with all that product? I know of very few people who trip more than once or twice a year, especially on cubes, the second least desirable Psilocybe. The only advantage cubensis has over the other, much more desirable species is it's so toilet-flush simple to grow, anyone can do it.
It makes sense for those claiming all this knowledge and success to quit pissing and moaning about whether a tricycle or bike with training wheels is easier for a beginner to ride. Simply take the training wheels off and learn to grow a more difficult species so you'll have something to actually brag about.  RR
Not to threadjack further, but would you mind giving your 'top 5 Psilocybe species' to attempt after cubes?
Thanks!
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Re: Layering technique [Re: gornyhuy]
#19467136 - 01/24/14 11:33 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stromrider
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RogerRabbit said : You guys seriously need to get laid or something.
I've always said the difference between layering and mixing is very little and I do both. Then, you come back and say I keep telling people. . .blah, blah, . . .
As for you guys claiming loads and loads of cubes every week, what are you going to do with all that product? I know of very few people who trip more than once or twice a year, especially on cubes, the second least desirable Psilocybe. The only advantage cubensis has over the other, much more desirable species is it's so toilet-flush simple to grow, anyone can do it.
It makes sense for those claiming all this knowledge and success to quit pissing and moaning about whether a tricycle or bike with training wheels is easier for a beginner to ride. Simply take the training wheels off and learn to grow a more difficult species so you'll have something to actually brag about.  RR
So sorry I've offended you. I knew it was a bad idea to disagree with anything you said on here but I did it anyway. I'll try very hard to not make that mistake again.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Stromrider]
#19467218 - 01/24/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cant we all get along?
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Re: Layering technique [Re: bodhisatta]
#19467251 - 01/24/14 11:55 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I love how much information I get from debates like these (:
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Re: Layering technique [Re: KnownPown]
#19467270 - 01/24/14 11:59 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I love the witty remarks they make against eachother. Lmao.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Dr.Dank]
#19467329 - 01/24/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Canna-bliss1 said: I love the witty remarks they make against eachother. Lmao.
Pretty entertaining huh? "O o oh RR disagrees with me! My butt hurts!"
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Stromrider
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Actually my butt does hurt. I slipped on some chemicals at work last week and cracked my tail bone!
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