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greenery1
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Layering technique
#19463064 - 01/23/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just finished a couple of 5 inch layered trays with some nice fluffy textured coir 70%, Cowpoo 30%, alph alpha straw 10%, which was really nice and light. Rough percentages I just use my eye.
But I have meant to ask about layering, is there a knack to it? I basically just keep them all very thin, first substrate then spawn, just enough spawn to cover the previous sub layer, until I reach the top. Last layer a bit thicker substrate.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: greenery1]
#19463081 - 01/23/14 03:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Layering is outdated.
Next time mix the spawn evenly with the substrate for faster colonization.
Mycellium grows outward in a 3D spherical pattern, take full advantage of every inoculation point by mixing evenly.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: greenery1]
#19463083 - 01/23/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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don't bother with a thick top layer of sub. I used to do this and it takes the top layer forever to colonize. I just mix it up evenly and try not to have to many exposed grains on top.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: MudaFuka]
#19463097 - 01/23/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Layering technique [Re: L1ss3rd]
#19463184 - 01/23/14 03:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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L1ss3rd said:

 what exactly are you monitoring?
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19463220 - 01/23/14 03:39 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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i saw this 1.5m long monitor lizard in malaysia, that was just monitoring the shit out of me
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Aero]
#19463226 - 01/23/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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i had a monitor, fried him though
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19463423 - 01/23/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for those comments. I would originally have just mixed, but it was actually RR who mentioned in a post that layering was 'superior' (sorry I dont have the link handy). I would have imagined mixing would be better for reasons mentioned, greater inoculation points, but alright will compare that on my next batch of trays (in the next weeks or so). Thanks again!
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19463440 - 01/23/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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that sounds so awful! poor sgt stadanko
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it was very fucking awfull, had him in his small cage and left with his light on
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19463548 - 01/23/14 05:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: it was very fucking awfull, had him in his small cage and left with his light on
You are a bad man. A very bad man!
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19463659 - 01/23/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: it was very fucking awfull, had him in his small cage and left with his light on
they say it tastes like chicken
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Re: Layering technique [Re: cronicr]
#19463673 - 01/23/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I remember you wrote this some weeks ago and I felt really bad for the little fella. I got the same gutted feeling reading about it again today 
Free range lizzards might not work out so well?
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Re: Layering technique [Re: greenery1]
#19464135 - 01/23/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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greenery1 said: I just finished a couple of 5 inch layered trays with some nice fluffy textured coir 70%, Cowpoo 30%, alph alpha straw 10%, which was really nice and light. Rough percentages I just use my eye.
But I have meant to ask about layering, is there a knack to it? I basically just keep them all very thin, first substrate then spawn, just enough spawn to cover the previous sub layer, until I reach the top. Last layer a bit thicker substrate.
That's the way to do it. Disregard anyone who says layering is outdated. The mycelium in the grain layer re-knits together first and then takes off into the substrate with a vengeance. For this reason, it's better to have fewer, but thicker grain layers.
I've done mixing and layering thousands of times each. With spawn bags, one must shake, so by nature it's well mixed. With trays of manure or other bulk substrates we have the luxury of layering. Be sure to always cover with a layer of substrate on top so there are no exposed grains, as you did.
To the rest of you, please quit 'jacking the thread. RR
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Sorry for the bad info Iv just found my subs colonize faster without layering but obviously RR knows way more than I do.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: greenery1]
#19464581 - 01/23/14 08:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I make what I call "horseshit lasagna". I use WBS and pasteurized horse poo/straw, with a little verm and gypsum sprinkled in the substrate, then layer a couple jars of substrate, one or two jars of colonized WBS and repeat the layering, ending with substrate. I've been using 50/50 verm-peat for casing, which I'm not particularly attached to and have been experimenting with different casing methods to see how/if casing really makes a difference. Once I tried mixing it up because everyone kept saying that it was "outdated" to layer, and mixing it was a pain in the ass and maybe a little noticeably slower to colonize. As much fun as being elbow-deep in barnyard waste is, I'll stick with my simple unfashionable horseshit lasagna and be done with it. Mushrooms are simple creatures that just want to be left in peace to finish their life cycle without too much molestation from the humans. I'm not going to take that away from them. 
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RogerRabbit said: That's the way to do it. Disregard anyone who says layering is outdated. The mycelium in the grain layer re-knits together first and then takes off into the substrate with a vengeance. For this reason, it's better to have fewer, but thicker grain layers.
Thanks for clearing this up. I might try some thicker grain layers next time.
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Re: Layering technique [Re: greenery1]
#19464657 - 01/23/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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greenery1 said: I just finished a couple of 5 inch layered trays with some nice fluffy textured coir 70%, Cowpoo 30%, alph alpha straw 10%, which was really nice and light. Rough percentages I just use my eye.
Also: let us know how this goes.
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If we're talking about cubes in a monotub then I think you're wrong RR. I've tried layering and I've tried mixing evenly and using a top layer. I've also tried mixing evenly with no top layer. I've settled on mixing evenly with no top layer. It colonizes way faster that way. Faster colonization is always better. I'm not the only one that has came to this conclusion. Most anybody on here that grows cubes in tubs has come to the same conclusion. You've admitted that you've never grown cubes in a monotub so why do you keep contradicting what we say about layering and using a top layer when we do it everyday?
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Re: Layering technique [Re: Stromrider]
#19464787 - 01/23/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: You've admitted that you've never grown cubes in a monotub so why do you keep contradicting what we say about layering and using a top layer when we do it everyday?
Reading comprehension problem or just butthurt?
He said he was using trays. Furthermore if you think mycelium colonizing the bottom of a rubbermaid tub is going to behave differently from mycelium colonizing a tray, you have a lot to learn fella. I've always said there's little difference, but layering gets the advantage in my opinion.
I've always said to use a top layer of substrate. Exposed grains are a major green mold vector.  RR
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Not butthurt just confused. I'm aware I have a lot to learn but I have seen first hand that tubs (or trays) that I layer or use a top layer just don't do as well or ccolonize nearly as fast as one evenly mixed. I'm far from the only one to experience this. I doubt anyone else will agree though since it's like against forum etiquette to disagree with you. Not trying to be an ass. Just stating fact. I agree with most everything you say and I've learned a ton from you but I just have to disagree with you on this based on my personal experience
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