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bodhisatta 
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: Hashbuble]
#19463785 - 01/23/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: In all seriousness, why try and replicate a kit?
What is wrong with building a SGFC that is guaranteed to perform better than fruiting in a bag?
Well, I've been growing mushrooms for around 15 years without kits. I have a SGFC, a Monotub, and 2 four tier GH's plus a large walk in GH, and yes they all work great for me.
I'm a Mycocentric Mutha Fucker, I didn't know anything really about these kits, and I want to know everything to do with mushrooms. I may decide to sell some kits. People ask me for these kits, and they are willing to pay for them. If I could develop a nice working kit, people in my area interested in mushrooms would appreciate it. I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just looking for knowledge. People keep saying "kits suck" I get that. I've heard it a million times by now and have for years and years, that's why I've avoided them. I'm not trying to figure out if kits suck or not, I'm trying to figure out how they work, and how they can work better. So anyways, Reemay?? Can anyone actually help me?
Don't be a dick and sell them kit shit then, if they're your friends write a guide and help them make a SGFC/GC/mono/etc..
here's a kit lets grow mushrooms dvd ball jars brf perlite vermiculite some totes and a few other things and some pointers
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fractaldill
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19463806 - 01/23/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: fractaldill]
#19463866 - 01/23/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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kits are generally simplified replications of things that actually do work. All the kits I ever see are dumbed down made to look simple and use phrases like get huge shroomz. They're made to seem easier and you get what you work for. The shroomery is a good kit. if you want to fix a kit turn it back into the thing it was meant to emulate.
Kit idea no2.
Make acc at shroomery include a 50$ gift card to a hardware store.
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Hashbuble
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19463877 - 01/23/14 06:03 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Hashbuble said:
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PussyFart said: In all seriousness, why try and replicate a kit?
What is wrong with building a SGFC that is guaranteed to perform better than fruiting in a bag?
Well, I've been growing mushrooms for around 15 years without kits. I have a SGFC, a Monotub, and 2 four tier GH's plus a large walk in GH, and yes they all work great for me.
I'm a Mycocentric Mutha Fucker, I didn't know anything really about these kits, and I want to know everything to do with mushrooms. I may decide to sell some kits. People ask me for these kits, and they are willing to pay for them. If I could develop a nice working kit, people in my area interested in mushrooms would appreciate it. I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just looking for knowledge. People keep saying "kits suck" I get that. I've heard it a million times by now and have for years and years, that's why I've avoided them. I'm not trying to figure out if kits suck or not, I'm trying to figure out how they work, and how they can work better. So anyways, Reemay?? Can anyone actually help me?
Don't be a dick and sell them kit shit then, if they're your friends write a guide and help them make a SGFC/GC/mono/etc..
here's a kit lets grow mushrooms dvd ball jars brf perlite vermiculite some totes and a few other things and some pointers
I never said they were my friends. I have been turning my friends on for years with what you mentioned. Basically the PF Tek and a SGFC. A lot of people just want easy grow mushroom kits. I don't think I'm being a dick for supplying a demand. And by the way a kit is gonna work is good as the genetics that are in it. Just normal people that I have talked to have had success with these kits. Just seeing one mushroom grow is a success for some people, maybe not for us but for noobs. I don't think its wrong to let the everyday joe learn about the mushroom lifecycle. Any real kit experience would be great in this thread.
By the way, I'm not talking about Psilocybe kits, I'm talking Gourmet mushroom bags!
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blindingleaf
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: Hashbuble]
#19463904 - 01/23/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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i see oyster kits in every grocery store these days. when u open one up (got one for my dad) its just a colonized gusseted, filter patch bag that was cut a bit above the grains and stapled really well closed/sealed. u cut a plus sign 2" tall 1.5" wide and spray twice a day. low yield, despite whatever the brands hype is.
if u want to experiment, get some filter bags (small medium and large, but most kits are small ones) and try it urself. if u have been growing for "years and years" you will surely find a way! good luck!
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: Hashbuble]
#19463912 - 01/23/14 06:09 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I started off with a kit, In vitro bags already sterilized just squirt in your spores they had them stated to work with edibles and cubes. They sucked. I wouldn't feel OK with myself selling the kits that are similar to the kits out there on the web. You could just sell them a few bags if you want them to do in-vitro bags and then a paper saying how to make the bags. You could even re-package verm/brf etc pre-portioned and re-sell some jars or bags. Or make the bags up yourself and tell the people results are shoddy.
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Hashbuble
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19463961 - 01/23/14 06:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I started off with a kit, In vitro bags already sterilized just squirt in your spores they had them stated to work with edibles and cubes. They sucked. I wouldn't feel OK with myself selling the kits that are similar to the kits out there on the web. You could just sell them a few bags if you want them to do in-vitro bags and then a paper saying how to make the bags. You could even re-package verm/brf etc pre-portioned and re-sell some jars or bags. Or make the bags up yourself and tell the people results are shoddy.
Bodhi,
The kit you mentioned was inoculated with a multispore syringe. My kits would have an isolated, proven, aggressive, culture syringe. Or they would come already inoculated with a proven culture. That greatly increases your chances for success. And thank you blindingleaf for adding some substance to this thread
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Hashbuble
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Re: Fungi Perfecti's grow kits? [Re: Hashbuble]
#19463985 - 01/23/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I might as well add the rest of the instructions for specific genus species.
Follow the directions for each species below.
a. Reishi- In high co2, the reishi will form “antlers” right in the closed bag. These antlers are considered highly medicinal and are quite valuable. You can let the antler form grow in the bag as long as you like. When you do cut the bag open and fresh air enters, the form will change to the typical shelf fungus form. To harvest the antler, cut a 1 -2 inch slit in the top of the bag, slip the antler through the slit, and cut it off. Then pull the top of the bag to one side and tape it tightly down, keeping the slit exposed. Another reishi will grow out of the slit. For highest yield, Reishi can also be fruited out of the side of the bag by making two, one inch slits anywhere along the side wall of the bag on any side.
b. Shiitake-IMPORTANT! Shiitake must “brown” and “bark” INSIDE the bag! Do not open the bag until it is entirely brown. In addition the surface of the block will take on a roughened texture, called “popcorning” or “barking”. This process can take up to three months from spawning date! Once this has occurred, spank the bag! Give it ten good spanks with your hand. NO JOKE! This triggers fruiting! Next, cut off the entire bag, rinse well with cold tap water and wrap with reemay. KEEP MISTED and get ready. Shiitake fruits madly.
c. King Oyster, Beech and Enoki: These benefit from high co2 levels. Once pinning occurs, cut the very top to the bag off, fold the edge down and clip it with a cloths pin or chip clip. Unclip as the mushrooms approach the top of the bag.
d. All Other Oysters, Including Elm: Require a lot of fresh air and bright light to produce normal fruits. Make six one inch slits, (three on each side) equal distances apart on the side wall of the bag. Then roll the top of the bag into a tube and tape it tightly and securely to the block Make sure the rolled portion of the bag does not cover the slits. Clusters of "oysters" will grow out of the slits. Harvest and you will get more oysters out of the same slits. KEEP IT MOIST! Oysters love water.
e. Lions Mane: Make two 1 inch slits anywhere along the bag where thick white fungus is prominent and the fruits will grow out of the slits. It’s a site to see! Be sure to drape the reemay over the bag so it keeps the developing fruits moist. But watch out for the fruits growing THRU the reemay.
5. Harvesting: Cut the fruits off with a sharp knife right where they come off the block. DO NOT CUT INTO THE BLOCK! COOK until Golden brown!! You derive little to no nutritional or medicinal value from fungi unless they are thoroughly cooked. AND THEY TASTE BETTER!! 30 minutes on medium heat is reasonable. The exception to all this is Reishi which is typically sliced, dried and used for tea.
6. Second flush: For species fruiting thru slits, just wait and more mushrooms will grow out of the same slits! Sometimes a cold shock will trigger more mushrooms to form. You can stick the block outside or in the fridge for a day or two. With Shiitake, immerse the entire block in water for 24 hours, then remove, spank and cover with reemay. GET READY!!
7. Eventually, your block will contaminate. This is normal, usually after the first or second flush. You might observe green or black mold, similar to what you would see on cheese or bread, growing on the surface of the block. At this point, put your block outside if it is above freezing and it will typically fruit another time or two. If it is winter time, put the block in a black plastic garbage bag and store in your basement or garage till spring. Then soak it and stick it outside. DON’T GIVE UP ON YOUR BLOCK! We have had blocks fruit a dozen or more times, each flush slightly smaller than the last.
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Edited by Hashbuble (01/23/14 06:23 PM)
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