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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19458162 - 01/22/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I started with a GH and didn't try monos and dub tubs until later on. I found the GH to be much harder to dial in. I also found it reacted more to my houses low RH than tubs. As far as the risk of having all your spawn in one big tub as opposed to several trays. I make mini tubs using only 3 quarts each. If I could go back in time I would skip the GH and just do  mini dub tubs.



Yes green houses are harder to dial in... Mono's are definitely good for newbies.. I on the other hand have great success with my gh and it was easy for me... but it is not easy for everybody that is forshur.. It took experimenting and setting things on timers controlled by hemostats that tell my swamp cooler when temps are getting to high... But that took a lot of work, and immense amount of studying proper environmental factors for the strain grown in their. And it helps I had a few years of already growing and doing mono's... So the gh just made complete sense to me. But it is usually really complicated and to overwhelming for those people who are new to growing or can't figure out how to properly control temps and humidity in a gh.. I grow and have a legal marijuana garden so controlling gh temps and RH came easy to me.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19458181 - 01/22/14 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And they are easily scaleable to make larger and larger after it's all setup.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: vikingsc]
    #19458217 - 01/22/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And they are easily scaleable to make larger and larger after it's all setup.



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Exactly =)... the thing with a GH is you have to have a way to get you rh, fae, and temps to all co exist w.o effecting the other drastically. Once you get a GH that does this or you can figure out how to, then the potential is endless on how big you can grow... This is also how industrial growers do it... Usually by tray, bag, or logs not monos... Never heard of a industial grower growing from monos.. So gh have the potential to be veryyyy big if you know what your doing.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: vikingsc]
    #19458238 - 01/22/14 03:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get me wrong my GH is perfectly dialed in and iv had great success with it. I just find my tubs to be much less hassle and think they make cense for new growers. I still love my GH.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19458316 - 01/22/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't get me wrong my GH is perfectly dialed in and iv had great success with it. I just find my tubs to be much less hassle and think they make cense for new growers. I still love my GH.



Oh yes I'm shur you do! I was agreeing with you but also letting them know why I choose to do the GH... I do monos stacked on a shelve as well... I like them both. We know your not a noob silly!  :hatsoff:


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19458384 - 01/22/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I actually am fairly new to growing. I just started in 2013. Iv just hit the research hard and done a lot in a short time.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19458468 - 01/22/14 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I actually am fairly new to growing. I just started in 2013. Iv just hit the research hard and done a lot in a short time.



Experience is what make you a good grower... What I mean is I could grow mushrooms for 1 year hard with many projects and extensive research. ( hit it like you have a passion for it) ,then meet someone who has grown for 3 years but not with near as much intensity and only on and off. You probably have more experience then he does even though he has known how to grow longer... It depends on the person. Noob doesn't define you as a new grower... just a inexperienced one.
But if your a long time and dedicated grower then watch out.. that's a combination thats not to be reckoned with.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19458603 - 01/22/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

but when u have them dialed in there great right ?


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: xxbigmilkxx]
    #19458676 - 01/22/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but when u have them dialed in there great right ?



Yes that's what we just discussed... Just way easier to do monos... Their is a easy way with a less controlled environment and then theirs the gh with a more controlled environment!


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19458684 - 01/22/14 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but when u have them dialed in there great right ?



Yes that's what we just discussed... Just way easier to do monos... Their is a easy way with a less controlled environment and then theirs the gh with a more controlled environment!



In a mono your substrate allows for the perfect environment of fae and gh along with you ventilation... rather then a gh where you must find other variable's to make the proper environment.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19458925 - 01/22/14 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but when u have them dialed in there great right ?



Yes that's what we just discussed... Just way easier to do monos... Their is a easy way with a less controlled environment and then theirs the gh with a more controlled environment!



In a mono your substrate allows for the perfect environment of fae and gh along with you ventilation... rather then a gh where you must find other variable's to make the proper environment.



apples and oranges.
Like you say, you wouldn't see a commercial farm using mono's. But both have their benefits. Ease of setup is definitely one of the benefits of a mono or 10.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: vikingsc]
    #19459045 - 01/22/14 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but when u have them dialed in there great right ?



Yes that's what we just discussed... Just way easier to do monos... Their is a easy way with a less controlled environment and then theirs the gh with a more controlled environment!



In a mono your substrate allows for the perfect environment of fae and gh along with you ventilation... rather then a gh where you must find other variable's to make the proper environment.



apples and oranges.
Like you say, you wouldn't see a commercial farm using mono's. But both have their benefits. Ease of setup is definitely one of the benefits of a mono or 10.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19459093 - 01/22/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

haha:laugh:


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: vikingsc]
    #19459098 - 01/22/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Guns are good by the way......:rockon:


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: vikingsc]
    #19460334 - 01/22/14 11:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Like you say, you wouldn't see a commercial farm using mono's.




Commercial farms grow mushrooms that are (mostly) intolerant to CO2 levels that monos tend to contain.

However, I can say that if I were to make a "commercial cubensis farm" somewhere it was legal, then I would certainly, certainly use monos as my grow method. 400 monos in a warehouse? Yes please :awesomenod:

For gourmets, like oysters and lions mane and the like? Never in a mono. Legal mushrooms require different conditions that monos are not (usually) suitable for.

So the point that commercial farms wouldn't use monos is actually debatable, depending on the context.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19460406 - 01/22/14 11:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You aren't looking at the big picture. 400 mono tubs? Really? That would be way more work then the fruit is worth. You know if you just bought those big tubs that are as long as a mono tub but not as tall you cold put it on industrial shelf's and produce the same amount that you are out of those mono's... Those mono's Are meant to keep you rh and fae tuned so you don't have to do much. But in doing so they take up a lot of room in height that isn't necessary, when you could be using that room for another shelf with more trays... Your yielding so much out of mono's because You have more sq ft of bulk, and you use more substrate. Add that to a tray adequate size on a shelf with plenty of room to move around, shift and harvest..whats their to debate? Its kinda obvious why a GH is used in industrial grows other then the intolerance of Co2... Making the most of your space!  with 400 mono's you would not be using your space wisely and would be doing more work then it is worth. Especially if you use the big trays I described, then you yield the same amount as mono's w.o all that upper height taking up more tray space. And with 400 mono's in a room you would have a issue with to much heat, lack of fae,rh , and would have to make a GH like environment anyways just not as controlled... Not worth it


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19460428 - 01/22/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

king oyster and enoki might be candidates for mono's

but i think concidering the amount of substrate for an individual container, and the possible difficulty of filling that automated or real fast (and cleaning it afterwards), the big farms would rather go for big bags (machinery fillable and disposable), or huge long trays (faster to fill).

EDIT: mycopanda, you beat me to it...


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19460439 - 01/22/14 11:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are overlooking the fact that my monos will outperform a greenhouse set up that takes up the same space.

I run 20 66qt monos, I pull 12 pounds dry in 6 weeks time (75% of that comes in the first flush). That doesn't get beaten by a greenhouse- that much space can be filled with two of my GHs and I've tried, trust me :wink:

"Huge long trays" don't perform as well as you would expect. Again, I've tried. edit: to top it off, my monos don't require misting, humidifier refills, etc. They just need a fan running in the room.

mycopanda, you really got a thing about this, don't you? :lol:


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: mycopanda]
    #19460448 - 01/22/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You aren't looking at the big picture. 400 mono tubs? Really? That would be way more work then the fruit is worth. You know if you just bought those big tubs that are as long as a mono tub but not as tall you cold put it on industrial shelf's and produce the same amount that you are out of those mono's... Those mono's Are meant to keep you rh and fae tuned so you don't have to do much. But in doing so they take up a lot of room in height that isn't necessary, when you could be using that room for another shelf with more trays... Your yielding so much out of mono's because You have more sq ft of bulk, and you use more substrate. Add that to a tray adequate size on a shelf with plenty of room to move around, shift and harvest..whats their to debate? Its kinda obvious why a GH is used in industrial grows other then the intolerance of Co2... Making the most of your space!  with 400 mono's you would not be using your space wisely and would be doing more work then it is worth. Especially if you use the big trays I described, then you yield the same amount as mono's w.o all that upper height taking up more tray space. And with 400 mono's in a room you would have a issue with to much heat, lack of fae,rh , and would have to make a GH like environment anyways just not as controlled... Not worth it




:whathesaid: I love my dubtub/mini monos. I bought plastic shelves that you piece together with four levels each and I have room for three tubs on each level. That's twelve minis I can fit on each whole shelf.


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Re: mono tubs vs green houses [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19460457 - 01/22/14 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Actually Frank if you get a tray the size of a mono or even make a long tray of your own it will colonize and fruit just fine... ( I do it all the time) I have made my point and my logic makes 100% sense...


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