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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19436768 - 01/18/14 08:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You can also put dry beans in a blender and hit pulse a couple times, it's usually enough to break most of the beans.




Or a food processor; i have done this before and it worked, but i still needed to dehull/split by hand after it in order to get what i was looking for.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
    #19436934 - 01/18/14 09:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i read that if you crack them dry, you can then blow over them (like with a hairdryer) to blow away the hulls. but don;t know if it will work sufficient.

barnabey, where do you get your soybeans? the cheapest in the benelux i could find was santi-shop(.eu).  do you by any chance know a place to buy organic cheap in bulk?


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
    #19438156 - 01/18/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, I blow the hulls off with my mouth. I take the bowl of cracked beans outside and blow them into my garden.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19438226 - 01/18/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I buy them in small quantities (bags of  500 grams) for about 1,60 euros per bag. They are organic whole soy beans with the hull, (and really removing the hull seems to be an annoying process whatever method you choose, who ever says they're just magically floating after shaking them once they've been soaked had a good dose of magic truffles). I live in the netherlands but prices are similar in france :o Since i'm just experimenting, I don't need bags of 900 pounds yet.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
    #19440727 - 01/19/14 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this guy made a cracker and dehuller himself! : http://www.makethebesttempeh.org/splitting-and-de-hulling-or.html


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
    #19440951 - 01/19/14 02:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seems more complicated than a grain mill, but if there is no access to grain Mills in your area, it is good to innovate.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19451901 - 01/21/14 08:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just succeeded to make awesome tempeh without using any purchased starter or dehydrating anything with the following method :

1. Buy a pack of tempeh at your organic store.
2. Cut 90% into slices, fry it, add equal amounts of soy sauce / rice vinegar and sugar and eat it all like a dirty pig.
3. Take the 10% remaining fresh tempeh and a spoon or two of rice flour.
4. Blend this in your mixer.
5. Mix the blend with your cooked beans and give it about 30 degrees celcius for at least 24 hours. (Mine needed 36 hours, maybe because the tempeh was coming out of the fridge. (as for my super incubator I can make a picture too with comments if anyone is interested :p )



Now i'm not sure if I can do this permanently by using fresh tempeh as starter but I'll keep doing it and see what happens !


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
    #19452317 - 01/21/14 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



Mine finished up last night.

I bought my tempeh starter for $4 shipped off ebay.

To incubate, I put a sealed Rubbermade container over a floor heating vent. Mine also took ~36 hours to see growth start. I assumed because the heat automatically turns off at night.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19452403 - 01/21/14 11:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice! That looks delicious


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19452409 - 01/21/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, those look good! :thumbup:

One guide i read about making starter recommended to let your tempeh sporulate, then slice it up, let dry out, pulverize in blender and mix with rice flour. This way you got spores mixed in.

One thing i'm still wondering about if it would be a big no to pressurecook the beans before letting them colonize?
Because in the manuals you always have to halfcook them.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
    #19452484 - 01/21/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You can probably pressure cook them, but it would be a waste of time.  They need to be barely cooked (I soak overnight and boil for 20-30 minutes) otherwise they're either too wet or too mushy


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19452506 - 01/21/14 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well it would be to ensure sterile substrate... I'm a bit afraid to give people contammed food...    Or would it be really easy to tell if it was?


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
    #19452518 - 01/21/14 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's very easy to tell. It'll stink to high heaven and won't colonize.

Also, cook your tempeh, it's not good raw.

It will be sterile enough after boiling.  And if you're thinking of selling it, you can pasteurize afterwards.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
    #19452724 - 01/21/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well it would be to ensure sterile substrate... I'm a bit afraid to give people contammed food...    Or would it be really easy to tell if it was?




You also put in a few tablespoons of vinegar and supposedly that helps, but that might be ol'folk magic.

I PC'ed my blender'ed black beans for ~9minutes with minimal pressure in a 4qt PC after an 8 hour soak but I fear even that over cooked them. It's not as nutty as I like.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
    #19456288 - 01/22/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mine finished up last night.

I bought my tempeh starter for $4 shipped off ebay.

To incubate, I put a sealed Rubbermade container over a floor heating vent. Mine also took ~36 hours to see growth start. I assumed because the heat automatically turns off at night.




Is there something else in there besides black beans?


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
    #19456800 - 01/22/14 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I absolutely failed at making some new starter from my tempeh grow. I took one of my containers out of the incubator and then put it on the counter expecting it to finish and go grey. What it actually did was go yellow and get very stinky, not a good stink either.

Should I have left it in the incubator until it went grey?


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
    #19456810 - 01/22/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mine finished up last night.

I bought my tempeh starter for $4 shipped off ebay.

To incubate, I put a sealed Rubbermade container over a floor heating vent. Mine also took ~36 hours to see growth start. I assumed because the heat automatically turns off at night.




Is there something else in there besides black beans?




Looks like he spawned the beans with a grain jar.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Culland]
    #19457260 - 01/22/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So I absolutely failed at making some new starter from my tempeh grow. I took one of my containers out of the incubator and then put it on the counter expecting it to finish and go grey. What it actually did was go yellow and get very stinky, not a good stink either.

Should I have left it in the incubator until it went grey?




Yes, don't take it out of the incubator, just leave a portion of it uncovered.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: lipa]
    #19459282 - 01/22/14 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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lipa said:
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Mine finished up last night.

I bought my tempeh starter for $4 shipped off ebay.

To incubate, I put a sealed Rubbermade container over a floor heating vent. Mine also took ~36 hours to see growth start. I assumed because the heat automatically turns off at night.




Is there something else in there besides black beans?




Looks like he spawned the beans with a grain jar.




I know; but i was wondering if it was black quinoa or something because i have wanted to try chickpea + black quinoa.


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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
    #19459345 - 01/22/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That sounds like a good mix. I usually use chickpeas and rice regularly in mine. I will try it next time.


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