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1 cake crumble?
#19458712 - 01/22/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello, i have these extremely small salad pans from where i work (wendys) and was wondering if it would even be worth it to crumble 1 cake down and cover with a little baked verm for a mini bulk? or would fruiting the 1 cake as just a cake give just as much yield?



as you can see, the bottoms black and the lid fits perfectly, i could make super mini SGFC with this babies. but they are very small. i could most likely fit about 1 cake, maybe a bit less into the tray and cover with some sterile moist verm.
1/2 pint jars by the way.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: TraxSeos]
#19458875 - 01/22/14 05:44 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd case them if you're above and beyond PF Tek, but if you're just starting out, cake them first then get a feel for it. The "pan" as well, if it's plastic, don't bother, it'll get eaten to shit by the mycellium which is a no-no and creates problems.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: Tabensis]
#19459003 - 01/22/14 06:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Verm is a mineral with no nutrition. It's used to hold water. It won't be bulk "spawning" to it or even spawn. Unless your crumbling to a coir/verm sub or any other bulk substrate don't bother crumbling it. Just fruit it as a cake. as in dunk for 24 hours and roll in dry verm and then mist.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: vikingsc]
#19459065 - 01/22/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Verm is a substrate additive, not a bulk sub on it's own. Just holds moisture and fluffs up a substrate to keep it from compacting.
Crumble it to a pasteurized 70% coir/30% verm sub? - Yes
Crumble it to straight verm? - No
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: vikingsc]
#19459313 - 01/22/14 07:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just fruit it as a cake. Unless your intent is to fruit it without a FC. A cake will dry out pretty fast without one.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: Kizzle]
#19459346 - 01/22/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wha if i didnt even case it with anything? Could i crumble straight cake to the tray then put the lid on it? Would the yield be the same as just friiting as cake? I could line the inside with aluminum foil if myc really eats plastic.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: TraxSeos]
#19459359 - 01/22/14 07:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The yield would be the same as a cake and just give it a lot of unnecessary stress and time for the myc to recover.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: TraxSeos]
#19459372 - 01/22/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Got it backwards. Myc eats aluminum. Not literally, but the enzymes can create hole in thin aluminum. It mainly only happens when colonize a bulk substrate in aluminum, not simply placing a substrate in aluminum.
The yield should be similar if you're able to keep just as well hydrated but it'd also delay pinning.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: Kizzle]
#19459509 - 01/22/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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It'll do the same to plastic over time, it happened to a friend of mine who does bulk.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: Tabensis]
#19459793 - 01/22/14 09:07 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read somewhere that miracle grow works fine. Would I have to sterilize it? I could pack it into jars and PC them. Also, the premium salad dishes at work caught my attention as well. They are a bit bigger and a better candidate for my super mini FC idea.



I was thinking about casing, after reading what you guys had to say and i read about miracle grow. If i shouldnt use that, maybe ill get some coir from a pet store. I was also going to make a much bigger SGFC with perlite on the bottom, and just place the salad bins in there side by side. would this be neccessary? or would the mushies do fine in just the salad trays on a shelf?
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: TraxSeos]
#19459837 - 01/22/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Miracle grow 3 in 1 works fine as a casing layer not as a sub. If your gonna crumble your cake you need to spawn it to a substrate with some nutrition.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: Tabensis]
#19459971 - 01/22/14 09:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tabensis said: It'll do the same to plastic over time, it happened to a friend of mine who does bulk.
plastic containers are common for growing... monotubs, tupperware, etc. I'm pretty sure people would notice if this happened
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Quote:
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Tabensis said: It'll do the same to plastic over time, it happened to a friend of mine who does bulk.
plastic containers are common for growing... monotubs, tupperware, etc. I'm pretty sure people would notice if this happened 
Ya, it's common for them to eat through a thin aluminum tray. I've never heard of them eating through plastic. I've used many different kinds of plastic trays and tubs and never experienced anything like that.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: vikingsc]
#19460019 - 01/22/14 09:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/5208/What-is-considered-a-bulk-substrate
What is considered a bulk substrate? A bulk substrate is any bigger amount of substrate that is used for mushroom cultivation on a larger scale.
A bulk substrate is a substrate of greater volume that is used for mushroom cultivation on a large scale.
Examples of different types of bulk substrates used for cultivation of Ps. cubensis or Pan. cyanescens may be straw, dung, or coco coir supplemented with additives such as worm castings.
Bulk substrates are pasteurized and are inoculated using spawn made with whole grains such as rye berries or wild bird seed; as opposed to grain or flour based substrates, which are sterilized.
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: vikingsc]
#19460301 - 01/22/14 11:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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just get some coir (eco earth from pet store, ask for reptile bedding) and and, sterilize or pasteurize, and crumble the cake into it, mix it all up and put in that container. that was how i did my first bulk but the container was a little taller and more rectangle

worked well. I'm actually doing it again in same container with whole brown rice. this time i sterilized the coir/verm.

that container u have may not be tall enough. u want a loose fitting lid. mine has hinges on short sides (u can see the green handle hinges in first pic) and after mixing the crumbled cake and coir/verm, i put lid on with hinges on too, and there is enough GE for the spawn run to take place. the container u have may seal too much, but I'm not sure.
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Looks good blindingleaf^^^^^^
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: vikingsc]
#19460621 - 01/23/14 12:55 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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thx! 
i had a quart of coir left over from something else, and a random pint of spawn. figured i'd do it again so not to waste spawn.
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blindingleaf, could you post a pic of the brand of coir you used? So maybe i could find the same kind at the petsmart near my town. You didnt sterilize the coir the first time you bulked? there was no trouble with contams?
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Re: 1 cake crumble? [Re: TraxSeos]
#19463130 - 01/23/14 03:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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i pasteurized for that top pic and sterilized for the bottom pic. i have no pic of the package. its called "Eco Earth" u can't mis it in the reptile section. compressed coconut fiber. i think there is one more brand, but u can get that one too.
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ok, i appreciate it. and coir will do fine on its own by just adding substrate to it? how did you pasteurize it?
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