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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: brainwreck]
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brainwreck said:
I tried the temp cycling with a casing of Thai KS on popcorn cased with verm/coir. Once again the knots began to form on the fifth day, and on day 7 pins are clearly visible. So either these thai koh samui are fast, or temp cycling works like magic. Is there anyone out there growing Thai Koh Samui that has experienced longer fruiting times ?


I currently have a casing of koh samui which did a great job of pinning. However, now I seem to be getting alot of aborts and it seems to be taking forever. It started pinning on 10/20 and I still do not have any fruits just pins and aborts.

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: BangoBojangles]
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BangoBojangles said:
I am growing B+ cubenis by Pftek. The jars are currently about 75% colonized. Is the correct stage to perform your proposed temperature cycling?


No I would wait untill they are fully colonized

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: brainwreck]
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So let me get this straight, you guys are saying that this would take time off of the fruiting process?? Meaning, it would take days off the normal amount of time it takes to get a harvest from the time you put the casing/cake in the fruiting chamber. I'm glad this discussion came up as I've been wondering, what is the average amount of time you guys have noticed it takes a casing to be ready to harvest from the time u put it in the grow chamber. The average I've seen is consistently 10 days, that's w. out cold shocking. Any one else care to chime in??

Vis


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Visigoth]
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Hannibal, when you put your casings into the 75 temps for two days do you also give them fresh air and light or do you just leave the foil or whatever over your casings?

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: bluecaps024]
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should this continue all the way through the fruiting process or just until you get your pins?
-matt


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCL [Re: BangoBojangles]
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Well cultivated observations and theory. DAMM honestly have been thinking the same twice daily, NOT trying to say i thought that toooo. Simply saying you are probally right as my experience would lean with what you state, GOOD women man


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: o0PapaSmurf0o]
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Hey does anyone have anything new to report????

this thread make me drool, espically the thought of maybe having my first casing pin quick

I birthed one today and the other in incubating

so then its a race!

I am a little scared about taking it out of the incubator , putting it int the fridge then back in the incubator before I throw it back in the fruiting chamber, but I think I will try....if I still have the balls.......after I incubate for a couple of days

I will let YOU GUYS KNOW........so let me know

whats up
how many people have tried this and give it "the nod of approval"???????


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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its been less than 3 days and I have pins starting on a few cakes that I put in a bucket with some perlite and a little mist with some fanning. I went from 85ish to 70ish every 24 hrs. Good stuff, but should i keep this up when they start fruiting too?
-matt


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: forevrgrounded98]
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No, this is only to innitiate pinning. You should return to optimal fruiting co nditions.

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Hannibal88]
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This is kinda humorous :lol: definitely not a major breakthrough triggering pins. Are you suggesting pinning on a partially colonized cake? Maybe I missed something? Are you even suggesting fanning an uncolonized cake? I really having a hard time comprehending this thread? Sorry :frown:

Edited by dcyans (08/19/04 12:24 AM)

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: hyphae]
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Dcyans, instead of incubating till the myc was ready to fruit and then putting in the fruiting chamber, you incubate then cold shock (or put into fruiting chamber) then remove after a day and put back into the incubator then after a day put back into the fruiting chamber. This will induce pinning faster. I only have two casings and they're both my first made but i'll give this a try as soon as the first incubating part is done.

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Hannibal88]
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Id like to add that nowhere in ur post does it mention what species u are
refering too. I assume ur talking cubies

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The temperature cycles were key.
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Wow great discovery. Are u saying here that thats the only trigger u need
to innitiate pinning???
Lol, sorry but this post is funny.


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Visigoth]
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Quote:
Visigoth said:I'm glad this discussion came up as I've been wondering, what is the average amount of time you guys have noticed it takes a casing to be ready to harvest from the time u put it in the grow chamber. The average I've seen is consistently 10 days, that's w. out cold shocking. Any one else care to chime in??

Vis


10-11 days has been a consistent average for my friends. That's incubating at 85, casing, 2-3 days more at 85, then into the fruiting chamber at 70-73. No cold-shocking required.

From looking at this method it seems that it may shave a day or two off the pinning time, but at the expense of more work.

I've always thought that simulating the natural environment is the best way to go. So giving the mycelium daily temperature variations may well be the best way to get good pinning. OTOH, the standard method works just fine and gives such good results that I find it hard to believe that there could be much room for improvement. Shaving a day or two off the pining time is one of the few areas where there is room for improvement.


-FF

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Hannibal88]
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Awesome pinsets are a result of timing, The coincidence of the pinning triggers AT ONCE! True anyone can trigger pins to a certain extent but your best pinsets will always come from the use of all triggers at once.

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: hyphae]
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For the fierst pin set, mutilple triggers (light, O2, full colonization of substrate, and lower temp)

But every other pin set gets triggered by temp only, as they have perpetually been in an O2 rich tub, with light, and the substrate is allready fully colonized.

I get great pin sets by dropping the terrarium temps to the low 60's at night. wait three days and BOOM pins galore.

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: meanoldman]
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What ever works for you is what matters, many times the second flush is bigger than the first, has that been your experience at all? Sounds to me like you are doing just fine! :wink:

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: hyphae]
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Oh yeah, the second flush always beats the hell out of the first flush.

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: Hannibal88]
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I to am an aryan grower and i just wanted to complement on the name. I hafve been studying growth of P.C and i wanted your thoughts on pinning i have 2 trays fully colonized and starting to poosibly getting overlay started. I need these boys to start pinning its been almost 2 wks since fully cased. they are brazil it might matter on your response, but this one out off 10 days i mean should have pinned, i tryed lights and temp last night wondering if fridge is a good idea. if you could give me some input on me id appreciate it,
Dale

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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: t3daystrip]
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t3daystrip said:
I to am an aryan grower and i just wanted to complement on the name. I hafve been studying growth of P.C and i wanted your thoughts on pinning i have 2 trays fully colonized and starting to poosibly getting overlay started. I need these boys to start pinning its been almost 2 wks since fully cased. they are brazil it might matter on your response, but this one out off 10 days i mean should have pinned, i tryed lights and temp last night wondering if fridge is a good idea. if you could give me some input on me id appreciate it,
Dale


Doubt you're going to get an answer on an 8 year old thread


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Re: MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING [Re: B_BOY]
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It takes a special kind of person to necromance a 9-year-old advanced mycology thread to state that he is also a racist, then ask for fruiting advice.  One hell of a first post.

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