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WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place * 11
    #19451250 - 01/21/14 02:49 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Some of (name edited out's) threads recently have prompted me to post this for the safety of the community, as it seems that many people are unaware of what to do in a situation where somebody overdoses or dies at their place. I am really hoping that this gets stickied for the safety of the community.

There are either one of two things you should always do the second you realize somebody has overdosed at your place. You either need to call 911, or carry their body and promptly take them to the hospital. Why?

Well, let's say you are scared shitless of your place getting searched so you fail to do either. Time goes by, and this person eventually passes away at your house. Now your charges become much worse--possession, distribution of drugs, tampering with evidence, neglect, manslaughter, abuse of a corpse, 3rd degree murder... You also get your entire house thoroughly searched for about a week if that were to happen. The charges piled against you are much, much worse if that person ends up dying in your house.

My old H dealer had somebody die at his house. He freaked out not wanting to call the cops, so he gathered some of his friends and they drove this guy to a field, dropped him off there, and left him there to die. He passed away in the field.

An investigation was done, and it was eventually discovered that this guy OD'ed at the H dealer's house. He ended up being charged with all of the above, although his 3rd degree murder charged was reduced to manslaughter with the help of an attorney paid for by his parents. AKA, his situation ended up MUCH WORSE because of the fact that he DIDN'T call 911 or seek medical help.

If somebody OD's at your place first, the best option is to take them to a hospital yourself. If you can't, for whatever reason, because they're too heavy or whatever, you call 911 and use the tactics that I showed you.

When you call 911, DO NOT SAY, "My friend just had an overdose." DO NOT EVER MENTION DRUGS OR OD WHEN YOU CALL 911. This will prompt police to come. Police are constantly listening over the dispatcher and the radio, and any mention of drugs will persuade them to show up on your doorstep.

Rather, when you call 911, you should say, "My friend just collapsed and fell on the floor and hit his head, he's totally unconscious, please bring the paramedics!!"

If the operator asks if any drugs were consumed, you insist, "No, none." Let the EMT's come, they will be able to figure it out instantly, they are trained to do that and can easily spot an OD from some type of brain injury or accident.


I have been in the exact same situation, called 911, and those were exactly the words that I used. Only EMT's arrived, no police. This happened to me in the state of Nevada.

In the mean time, either before you call 911, or while you are calling them, clean your entire place so that there are NO DRUGS in the house. If you are planning on flushing a lot of things down the drain, it is best to flush first BEFORE you pick up the phone and call, so that the operator does not hear what is going on in the background. Remember to continually give your friend CPR in between the time that you are taking to get rid of everything, to keep them alive: http://depts.washington.edu/learncpr/quickcpr.html

If you have things that you are unable to toss down the drain such as syringes or other paraphernalia, it is best if you place all drugs and drug paraphernalia hidden in a separate room with a dog (if you have one). If paramedics arrive and you make them aware that there is a dog in another room, they will not open that door, because of dog-biting and liability issues. If they ask you whether your dog bites, you simply say, "I don't know, I just adopted it two weeks ago. I have no idea how he acts around strangers." This is simply to make them uneasy and unsure about taking the risk of opening the door. Especially if you claim that you have a particularly hyperactive or aggressive dog, such as a husky or a pit bull or a jack russell terrier.

However, all this changes if the person physically DIES in your home. Once they have been pronounced dead, officials are given the right to thoroughly search inside your house. If a significant amount of time has already passed and the person is cold with no heartbeat, you ensure you get rid of every ounce of illegal matter in your house before calling 911. This is why it is absolutely necessary to seek medical attention as soon as possible, BEFORE they reach the stage of death.


If your friend has just overdosed, and you are taking them to the hospital, make sure you manage to get them INSIDE or, if they are too heavy, at least wave some type of staff down, to make it to their attention that somebody is in distress. Whatever you do, DO NOT leave them on the front doorstep of the hospital and abruptly leave. If you do this, and nobody knows that person is there, who knows how long they will be lying on the doorstep before somebody discovers them. Which means, if they pass away in front of the hospital and they manage to track you down with your license plates, you can still get charged with manslaughter or neglect or abuse of a corpse.

This is something that happened to another junkie that I know. He freaked out when his friend overdosed, and dropped him off in front of the doorstep of a hospital, and got in his car and drove away. Even though it was determined that his friend died BEFORE getting to the hospital, he was still charged with abuse of a corpse, tampering with evidence, among other things.

Always, always receive prompt medical treatment. And when calling 911, please follow the guidelines I posted. Every druggie needs to read this to protect themselves in case of a medical emergency.


Edited by Crystal G (01/27/14 09:56 PM)


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19451263 - 01/21/14 02:56 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Good read. That's all good advice, definitely.

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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19451273 - 01/21/14 03:03 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Worth being stickied, IMO.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19451352 - 01/21/14 04:01 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)



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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: TopPmz]
    #19451362 - 01/21/14 04:16 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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Worth being stickied, IMO.




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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Constantine]
    #19451366 - 01/21/14 04:25 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: L1ss3rd] * 2
    #19451389 - 01/21/14 04:38 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

to be fair, in that other situation, this was somebody he had met literally hours before, while he was quite intoxicated, and trying to save the guy's life that was on unknown substances, using medical knowledge that he was trained in before frantically calling for help in a state of intoxicated shock.



so there wasn't really room to think of the best method of fixing the solution.


granted this is the sort of thing one should prepare for, in our line of life. but the situation didnt really help what happened. its was as random as it was traumatic.



regardless, this was a good post, crystal.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: L1ss3rd] * 1
    #19451394 - 01/21/14 04:41 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

I think this is what you are supposed to do actually . . .


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19451490 - 01/21/14 05:45 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

isnt narcon used for an opiate OD and not adrenaline?


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19451520 - 01/21/14 05:59 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Been there done that, my friend drove while I held her in the passenger seat while I was giving her CPR.

If anything drive down the street and make up some bs stories while on the phone with an ambulance.

Also correct, adrenaline will not counter the effects of an opiate overdose.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Crystal G] * 7
    #19451551 - 01/21/14 06:19 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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In the mean time, either before you call 911, or while you are calling them, clean your entire place so that there are NO DRUGS in the house. If you are planning on flushing a lot of things down the drain, it is best to flush first BEFORE you pick up the phone and call, so that the operator does not hear what is going on in the background. Remember to continually give your friend CPR in between the time that you are taking to get rid of everything, to keep them alive:




I have a real problem with this.  Always call as soon as possible.  Waiting until you've cleaned house is a terrible idea.  Call and tell them about the emergency then hang up.  Clean house while they're on the way.

Whatever possible possession charges you may face are insignificant when someone is dying in your place.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Enlil] * 9
    #19451555 - 01/21/14 06:20 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Really people?  Nobody's put this up yet?



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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Enlil]
    #19451571 - 01/21/14 06:28 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

In my state you can call 911 for an overdose and the person will not get possession charges if anything is found.....was meeting a buddy at the bowling alley one time....got there and couldn't find him so thought we got there first....turns out he was banging up in the bathroom....ends up overdosing.....there was an off duty paramedic that helped me with him till the ambulance came....they found the syringe and baggie in the garbage can...he didn't get any charges....known a few other people that happened  to also.....:shrug:


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #19451646 - 01/21/14 07:07 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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I have a real problem with this.  Always call as soon as possible.  Waiting until you've cleaned house is a terrible idea.  Call and tell them about the emergency then hang up.  Clean house while they're on the way.

Whatever possible possession charges you may face are insignificant when someone is dying in your place.





This. Highest prioprity is the person, friend or acquaintance, not dying. Nothing comes close in priorities to that.

You can pre empt the possession issue by not having friggin drugs and bongs lying all over your home.  You may get a visit from a frantic neighbor, or the meter man may come for a surprise measurement.  Your living room should be visibly free of drugs and paraphernalia at all times.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Asante] * 3
    #19451664 - 01/21/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

You're tripping with Obama and he's OD'ing on your couch? QUICK! What do you do? Do you call an ambulance, or get on the computer and say "Hold on buddy, I just need to sign you up for Obamacare!"?


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: danlennon3]
    #19451761 - 01/21/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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isnt narcon used for an opiate OD and not adrenaline?




Probably both.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Asante] * 1
    #19451763 - 01/21/14 07:55 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

as i said this was as random as could be. a well known friend brought over a new person. that person did too many drugs and died unexpectedly
amongst a trusted friend, friend of a  trusted friend's house.


he had not provided any drugs, and he was much more concerned about saving this man's life than anything that may happen to him self, at that point.


is not saving the life on another top priority at all times?

is is this a personal benefit .vs trying to save another life? maybe he could have accomplished both, bot that doesn't really mater at this point. i suppose that's injecting morality where some may disagree on my part. which could be debated.

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he was much more concerned for the welfare of this human being than his own safety, its the doctor's way, i suppose.


not everybody is thinking the

"how can i not get busted for this fucker dying in my house" mentality, amongst such circumstances, as randomly unexpected as these were. he was more " how can i keep this man alive to see another day" mentality.


could he have done more to clean house? probably

did he stay adamantly disregarding everything else to try to save the life on a man he barely knew? yes.

that's pretty noble if you ask me. the sign of somebody that really cares about others before himself, the mark of a good Samaritan.


and aside of this, i'm quite intoxicated right now myself and would like to rather not speak more on the subject.

so just food fo thought, i suppose.



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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Salomon]
    #19451806 - 01/21/14 08:17 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

If somebody overdoses at your pad you better call the paramedics. That is the only viable option at that point. If you put them in a field you should be charged with negligent homicide because that isn't responsible at all. If somebody is having a bad trip at your house or wherever you probably should not call the paramedics because it will just make the trip worse. You want to reassure them that everything will be okay and you should remind them that a trip only lasts a little while and they will come down in time. You want to make them know they are in no danger and you are there to help them if anything happens. Tell them to relax and lay down. Things like that are what a responsible person does with someone who is having a bad trip on a hallucinogenic plant. When I have tripped in the past I am usually alone so I am my own trip sitter. If you take the plant with good intentions, it will bring good intentions. I have noticed if you are just doing it to get high, the chance of a bad trip is dramatically increased for me, still it is nothing I can't handle. My advice is don't take acid unless you are 100 percent sure it is lsd and don't take more than you can handle. Taking anything above 2 is like playing with fire.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19451809 - 01/21/14 08:18 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Crystal G said:
In the mean time, either before you call 911, or while you are calling them, clean your entire place so that there are NO DRUGS in the house. If you are planning on flushing a lot of things down the drain, it is best to flush first BEFORE you pick up the phone and call, so that the operator does not hear what is going on in the background. Remember to continually give your friend CPR in between the time that you are taking to get rid of everything, to keep them alive:




I have a real problem with this.  Always call as soon as possible.  Waiting until you've cleaned house is a terrible idea.  Call and tell them about the emergency then hang up.  Clean house while they're on the way.

Whatever possible possession charges you may face are insignificant when someone is dying in your place.




agreed 100%. another good piece of advice is to stay away from garbage that will inevitably fucking kill you.


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Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD DO When Somebody Overdoses At Your Place [Re: Salomon]
    #19451824 - 01/21/14 08:21 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Make the call, walk down the street then make up whatever story you want to.


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