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OfflineUltra-Imperialist
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19363156 - 01/03/14 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:

If it wasn't for governments you wouldn't have any rights at all because scumbags like me would own you.





Actually we did have a time like this- the Feudal Era, and trust me, back then people like you were cut down like grass. Were your ancestors nobles by any chance?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: elax420]
    #19363175 - 01/03/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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elax420 said:
Shouldn’t you like be at your job and shit? You act like you work all the time and have some great work ethic but you always post during the middle of the work day :strokebeard:




No, I don't always post during the middle of the day and you may or may not know about the utter weather cornhole infecting the areas around NYC.  Igot to the site but nobody else did.  How's your job going?  How come you can post in the middle of the day when you should be lifting that bale and toting that barge?
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You are probably just self hating and live off government handouts :lol:




You really are just a buffoon.  Say hi to your mom for me and tell her I loved the meatloaf.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19363183 - 01/03/14 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hes a carpenter, obviously not, homeboys relatives were yokels and he probably has shitty genetics



Too be fair to Zappa he is right if there were no government it would be survival of the fittest. Thing is Zappa vastly overestimates his power and utility within society.


Oh and I’m in college brahh, thats why i post in the middle of the day. Atleast i don’t pretend like I’m not unemployed.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19363186 - 01/03/14 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ultra-Imperialist said:
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zappaisgod said:

If it wasn't for governments you wouldn't have any rights at all because scumbags like me would own you.





Actually we did have a time like this- the Feudal Era, and trust me, back then people like you were cut down like grass. Were your ancestors nobles by any chance?




People like me were the nobles.  The nobles were whoever raised the toughest army.  How do you think they got to be nobles?


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19363189 - 01/03/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Being rich and powerful, which you most certainly are not :loldongs:


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OfflineUltra-Imperialist
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19363215 - 01/03/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Ultra-Imperialist said:
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zappaisgod said:

If it wasn't for governments you wouldn't have any rights at all because scumbags like me would own you.





Actually we did have a time like this- the Feudal Era, and trust me, back then people like you were cut down like grass. Were your ancestors nobles by any chance?




People like me were the nobles.  The nobles were whoever raised the toughest army.  How do you think they got to be nobles?





"People like you"- you mean you can actually claim lineage to nobility? I very, highly doubt that. Call it an intuition based on your mannerism.

" The nobles were whoever raised the toughest army. "

Wrong, those were called Raiders, and I doubt you could have even handled yourself in their ranks.

In any case, can you literally trace your ancestry back to nobility? If so I would be quite surprised, if not, then we have a direct example of how you would end up under prolonged anarchy.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: elax420]
    #19363219 - 01/03/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Zqppa did profit off the construction / housing boom induced by the government / Federal reserve.


Armies are really expensive zappa don't forget, I doubt you can saw enough boards to start one.


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OfflineUltra-Imperialist
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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Shins]
    #19363227 - 01/03/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
Zqppa did profit off the construction / housing boom induced by the government / Federal reserve.


Armies are really expensive zappa don't forget, I doubt you can saw enough boards to start one.




Also keep in mind that Raiders existed back then. Armies back then did not pay so much as take. Zappa could offer them all the money he wants- they will take it, that doesn't mean they won't burn his mansion down and ravage his daughters afterwards but they would certainly take it.

I should note, it was the Feudal System that allowed towns to develop functioning economies. Before that- towns were regularly burned down by Raiders- and no- the wealthiest of Merchants were not able to stop them.

Note that Zappa is not answering my question, because he is clearly not of noble heritage. You can tell by his manners. Nobility was raised with a sense of dignity, manners and duty.

You can tell by the way he talks and what he cares about where he came from.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19363263 - 01/03/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What are you talking about dude? 


You have a really weird understanding of how the feudal system works. A baron would own a town and swear fealty to lord who would in turn provide the baron with protection for a tax, and the lord would swear fealty to duke, who would have a bigger army and control the region, that guy would swear fealty to a king or emperor who would have a ridiculously large army.

Raider? Like a mercenary or bandits? All existed but zappa would most certainly not have the power or intelligence to acquire an army. Shit he’s in the lower classes of OUR society :rofl:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: elax420]
    #19363301 - 01/03/14 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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elax420 said:
What are you talking about dude? 


You have a really weird understanding of how the feudal system works. A baron would own a town and swear fealty to lord who would in turn provide the baron with protection for a tax, and the lord would swear fealty to duke, who would have a bigger army and control the region, that guy would swear fealty to a king or emperor who would have a ridiculously large army.

Raider? Like a mercenary or bandits? All existed but zappa would most certainly not have the power or intelligence to acquire an army. Shit he’s in the lower classes of OUR society :rofl:




You never heard of Vikings or Ostrogoths?

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Among many tribal societies, raiding was the most common and lethal form of warfare. Taking place at night, the goal was to catch the enemy sleeping to avoid casualties to the raiding party.[1] Cattle raiding was a major feature of Irish society in the Iron Age and forms the central plot of the historical epic Táin Bó Cúailnge (English: Cattle Raid of Cooley).[citation needed]
Small scale raiding warfare was common in Western European warfare of the Middle Ages. Much of a professional soldiers' time could be spent in "little war", carrying out raids or defending against them.[2] Typical of this style of warfare was the mounted raid or chevauchée, popular during the Hundred Years War. Chevauchées varied in size from a few hundred men to armies of thousands, and could range in scope from attacks on nearby enemy areas to the devastation of whole regions, such as that carried out by the Black Prince in Southern France in 1355. This last is notable not just for its success and scope but the fact that the raiders deliberately captured records in order to carry out a post-operational analysis of the impact of the raid on the enemy economy.[3]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(military)

Before the establishment of a strong, legalistic feudal system Raiding was common. Capital accumulation was heavily impaired by periodic raiding.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19363329 - 01/03/14 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All you guys have to dial back the rhetoric several notches. Zap, you're banned. Elax, you're about a millimeter away from a ban.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19363334 - 01/03/14 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay this conversation has gotten way off topic. Thanks for the warning bro.


My original point remains unchanged.

Only fools deal in absolutes.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Phred]
    #19363337 - 01/03/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Screw both bisneuesses and the governmentenses... just the ret0ptilian aliens all of them...


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19431606 - 01/17/14 01:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's really wrong to say and genuinely it's not always better to blame government for a single incidents which some-times occurs. Most of the time we are just unknown about the exact fact which are happening frequently, it's look like that something gonna wrong we mostly blame government for the thing which is not excepted, and we say that it's all done because of them but the actual fact is quite afar from the thing on which we are focusing.  :frown:


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: theindianrepublic]
    #19447444 - 01/20/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

historically, starting with the advent of the rails, every time big business has been granted free reign the people get fucked. the only way big business can be controlled is through government. unfortunately big business and government are so intertwined now that they are one in the same.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19447526 - 01/20/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The railroad companies received per-mile subsidies from the federal government in the form of low-interest loans as well as massive land grants. If that's "free reign" it was government subsidized.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: Echro]
    #19447713 - 01/20/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The railroad companies received per-mile subsidies from the federal government in the form of low-interest loans as well as massive land grants. If that's "free reign" it was government subsidized.




who else would be granting business free reign? peter pan? the ultimate effect of the rails operating in the way in which they initially did was poor farmers kept in crushing debt and dependent on the rail while the government stood by.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19447787 - 01/20/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
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Echro said:
The railroad companies received per-mile subsidies from the federal government in the form of low-interest loans as well as massive land grants. If that's "free reign" it was government subsidized.




who else would be granting business free reign? peter pan? the ultimate effect of the rails operating in the way in which they initially did was poor farmers kept in crushing debt and dependent on the rail while the government stood by.



the government did not stand by, they granted railroads the power they had.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19448865 - 01/20/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

they stood by after they allowed big business to do its thing.


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Re: Government Vs. Business What Are Your Views? [Re: millzy]
    #19449464 - 01/20/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thats the thing though, the railroads never would have been able to do what they did without support from the government though.


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