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Has your vote ever made a difference.
    #1944464 - 09/23/03 03:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)


Has your vote ever made a difference?
Yes, there was a difference between the winning side and losing side of one vote. If I changed my vote there would have been a different winner.

Yes, there was a difference between the winning side and losing side of two votes. If I changed my vote there would have been a tie.

Yes, if I would have abstained from voting, the results would have favored another outcome.

Yes, a combination of the above three options are true.

No, a change in my vote or an abstention would never have altered the outcome.



Votes accepted from (12/31/69 07:00 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: Autonomous]
    #1944471 - 09/23/03 03:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

In 2000, I voted with the majority, and that candidate still ended up losing.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1944885 - 09/23/03 05:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Wahhhhhhh.

Get the fuck over it. The election was won by the rules in place at the time. Matter of fact, those rules have worked just fine for well over 200 years.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945042 - 09/23/03 05:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ya, I'm sure that it's just coincidence that Bush had those friends on the Supreme Court and that his brother was governor of the state where the whole fiasco took place.  How silly of me to think that in a democracy, the will of the people should be respected. :smirk:


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945069 - 09/23/03 06:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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How silly of me to think that in a democracy, the will of the people should be respected.



Silly is not the word I would have chosen.

The Constitution trumps all. Including the will of the people.

Or did your professor tell you differently?

Edit: And by the way, I would think you'd be smart enough to at least know the US is NOT, and never was, nor was it meant to be, a democracy.


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (09/23/03 06:05 PM)


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945075 - 09/23/03 06:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Are you referring to Florida's State Constitution, which the Florida Supreme Court had the power to interpret? Cuz I don't recall anything in the US Constitution about recount deadlines. Refresh my memory.

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Edit: And by the way, I would think you'd be smart enough to at least know the US is NOT, and never was, nor was it meant to be, a democracy.



But it IS supposed to be a Democratic Republic, meaning that it's governed by democratic principles.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945092 - 09/23/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

We've gone over this before. There are federal election laws. The election was for a federal office. Feds trump.

Wrong again.... it's a Constitutionally Limited Republic.

Perhaps a change of schools is in order.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945101 - 09/23/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Here is a nice link on the subject. This isn't the first time the popular vote did not win the election.

http://www.teachervision.fen.com/lesson-plans/lesson-3425.html


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945109 - 09/23/03 06:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Obviously, since the decision was decided by one vote in the Supreme Court, then at least 4 out of 9 justices whose job it is to interpret the Constitution thought the decision went against the Constitution. It's not as if the Constitution clearly stated that this would be the correct decision. But I'm sure you think you know the Constitution better than all of them.

Anyway, I think we've derailed this thread enough by now.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: shakta]
    #1945116 - 09/23/03 06:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

call me crazy but I think the candidate who gets the most votes should win.

abolish the electoral college.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1945122 - 09/23/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

^^^I agree. The electoral college is a joke in this day and age.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945125 - 09/23/03 06:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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But I'm sure you think you know the Constitution better than all of them.



In this case..... just four of them.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945130 - 09/23/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, what law school did you go to? :smirk:


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945132 - 09/23/03 06:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It's necessary to go to law school to understand something?

So when you rant about unjust laws, you're speaking with a diploma to back you up?


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945154 - 09/23/03 06:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

My point is that they've studied it in greater depth than you have. Granted, there are 5 of them on that court that agree with you, as opposed to 4 of them that agree with me, but you act as if the meaning of the Constitution is self-apparent(in you case, you seem to interpret it as whatever suits your Conservative views). All I'm saying is that it's a lot more vague and open to interpretation than you'd like to believe. If it weren't, we wouldn't need a Supreme Court.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945159 - 09/23/03 06:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well man, that is the way the system was set up to work. Those are the facts. As long as a majority of the court says this is Constitutional, that is the end of the story. I don't like the electoral college at all really. As long as our legislature does not make it a priority it will not change.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: shakta]
    #1945175 - 09/23/03 06:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I know. I can't really say the Supreme Court's decision was unconstitutional, because by definition, it can't be. I think it was a case of judicial activism, but I'm not gonna live in the past. Besides, I probably wouldn't mind so much if Bush wasn't such a lousy president. My priority now is getting Bush out of office in the next election.


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945184 - 09/23/03 06:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Granted, there are 5 of them on that court that agree with you, as opposed to 4 of them that agree with me



Actually, it was a 7 - 2 vote to overturn the Florida court.
7 - 2


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in you case, you seem to interpret it as whatever suits your Conservative views



Actually my views are Libertarian. You're not doing so well today.


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All I'm saying is that it's a lot more vague and open to interpretation than you'd like to believe.



It's fairly obvious you don't know what I believe. I believe in the written word and when doubt arises as to the written words in the constitution I turn to the Federalist Papers where it's explained in fairly straight-forward terms.



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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945192 - 09/23/03 06:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Just thought you might like to know that the Federalist papers are not a part of our laws, and are basically just the party platform of a political party that no longer exists(the Federalists).


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Re: Has your vote ever made a difference. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1945200 - 09/23/03 06:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Who wrote them? For the most part, the same people who wrote the Constitution.

I'll repeat an earlier comment...

Get your tuition money back. You got screwed.


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