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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19414702 - 01/13/14 09:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And this would probably be a good time to say...
Patience young padawan lol.
This is NOT in anyway, I say again, NOT in anyway a hobby for the impatient. Do not try to rush things and push them into stages or situations that there not ready to handle yet. If you do, you do what ive done time and again. Wich is waste months of work.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19414714 - 01/13/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will do. Got the 10 PE6 on the way.( I hope) Gonna get some better bird seed. More millet, less corn. Innoc with B+. I'm gonna try and do it soon. Will update.
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19414722 - 01/13/14 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'll be here just a
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19414754 - 01/13/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just to clarify cause I'm a noob. I can spawn 4 qts of grain to 12 "parts" of substrate. In 60qt tub? Thanks alot. I searched but couldn't find easy noob info.
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19414797 - 01/13/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would maybe try a smaller tub or using something to divide that one. A 60qt tub (wich is what I use) takes about 21qts to create a 4" substrate depth. Thats the recommended depth for the best returns and to keep substrate drying rate controlled.
Also a 1:2 ratio wich is recommended would be 4 spawn jars to 8 sub jars.
Again you can go macgyver it anywich way you choose but these are the suggested and I would recomemnd trying to stick to them atleast to start out. They are the norm for a reason 
EDIT: Im not trying to nay say or anything like that sir. I am just trying to share from experience. A lower spawn ratio is going to cause you significantly more colonization time. Now in jars it takes what it takes whatever for the most part cause those are sterile so who cares. But with sub it is just pasteurized and its just a matter of TIME before a contamination sets in. I have done exactly what you are asking before. 3 times in fact and I got 1 flush from one attempt. Everything else was lost to contamination. You want to storm your beeches with asmany troops as you possibly can to assure victory.
beaches being substrate and troops being spawn obviously.
Please learn from me so my mistakes were atleast not in vain lol.
EDIT2: Even if you just like tape some parafilm up to divide your tub in half. That would be just about perfect substrate depth with 4 jars spawn and 8 jars sub.
Edited by Valyr (01/13/14 10:23 PM)
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19414825 - 01/13/14 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok bro. Thanks for the sound advice!
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19414868 - 01/13/14 10:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah 1:2 is normal up to 1:4 is acceptable, if your gonna go with the four make sure you dunk your grains before you spawn, that will help your colonizing speed, for future refrence 1:2 may get you more flushes
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19422487 - 01/15/14 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Check out these jar of the pe6. See how moisture has formed at the top? I believe that's the first sign of growth imo. Idk I'm a noob so who knows. Just something I noticed.
    Opinions please!
Edited by YOmamaPr0 (01/15/14 12:00 PM)
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MudaFuka
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19422495 - 01/15/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: yeah 1:2 is normal up to 1:4 is acceptable, if your gonna go with the four make sure you dunk your grains before you spawn, that will help your colonizing speed, for future refrence 1:2 may get you more flushes
1:2 may also get you more mutants IME.
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19422569 - 01/15/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
YOmamaPr0 said: Check out these jar of the pe6. See how moisture has formed at the top? I believe that's the first sign of growth imo. Idk I'm a noob so who knows. Just something I noticed.
    Opinions please! 
The moisture is off your grains, nothing to do with any kind of growth really. Looks like you have a TON of cracked corn in there though, I'd look for a better brand of wbs next time, and the moisture really shouldnt hurt you, but you can always blowdry your grains before you load them into jars to prevent that.
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: KnownPown]
#19422581 - 01/15/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I add corn to my WBS. I find it makes things easier to break up later on for spawning to bulk or G2G. I also blow dry my grains on occasion.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: KnownPown]
#19422678 - 01/15/14 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Idk bro. Grains had pretty good moisture content even after PC. Let them sit for a week and then inoculated. I doubt a random bit of moisture appeared at the top. All I'm saying is when I see mycelium growth starting there is always patch of sweat on the glass near growth. Idk. Maybe you're right but idk. Ps I did blow dry them lol
Edited by YOmamaPr0 (01/15/14 01:28 PM)
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19422794 - 01/15/14 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually it would make sense. As the mycellium colonizes it creates heat making the insides of your jars a few degrees higher than your ambient temp. Thusly the sweat.
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YOmamaPr0
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: Valyr]
#19422847 - 01/15/14 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My point exactly
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19422881 - 01/15/14 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i would say just the moisture in your grain evaporating, creating this moisture. you should see small spots of myc against the jar if its growing. in my experience...gl
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Valyr
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: bluecap]
#19422927 - 01/15/14 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Depends on how the jars were done. If the inoculation media was placed in the center you will have growth before you see it. Thats why usually teks will tell you to spray your syringes on the sides next to glass. Also if the jars sat for a week before inoculation without showing signs of sweating on the jars than something had to change to cause it.
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19443338 - 01/19/14 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's the 4 jars fully colonized.( basically)
  
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19444222 - 01/19/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 i say spawn 3 and use one for a master
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: cronicr]
#19444391 - 01/19/14 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I plan on using horse poo. Do you recommend anything to add to substrate? Casing layer? Will be dunking the grains before spawning. What size tub for 3 jars? Thanks! Hoping all is well.
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Re: Questions about growth of my first grain jars with pics [Re: YOmamaPr0]
#19444458 - 01/19/14 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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about a 30 qt tub would be perfect, you certainly can case but it's not needed, helps if your ambient rh is low though
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