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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19367723 - 01/04/14 11:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen some documentaries on lsd/mushrooms relieving cluster headaches, good to read it helps you too OP.

Out of curiosity, lets say you're about to trip and feel a (regular) headache coming up, would it go away too or does it specifically and only help with the cluster-kind?


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19367825 - 01/04/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I wish psychedelics had been in my life as a teenager. Chances are i never would have had depression?

I've read many articles like the one you posted above and i truly belive in the effects of this substance for many therapeutical purposes.




Yeah, I'm sure all the hallucinating changed my outlook and my development into an adult. It certainly gave me a kind of scientific spiritualism while I was grappling with my own opinions on the world. I'm very much an anti-theist today, as opposed to one of those "believers", atheists or agnostics but very open to the unknown.

I don't think it was accidental that these DMT based tryptamines have the effects they do on the human brain and where evolution acts, there has to be a clear advantage for the relationship to persist. Especially given that we aren't really certain what cubensis use Psilocin for, so really it's only known use is altering human consciousness. That's a lot of energy for an organism to invest in something... must be a reason somewhere out there.

I'm going to be taking another therapeutic dose today - probably around .3 g dried. I'll post results of this micro dose tonight or tomorrow as part of my ongoing treatment. The migraine "shadow" is still hovering behind my right eye but no acute attacks since Monday after three weeks of daily migraines. I even had a beer last night (alcohol is a major trigger) and shifted my sleep schedule (another trigger) without causing a migraine!!! 

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I'm sure it probably did :thumbup:

I read an article on a study published by The Johns Hopkins University that found that Psilocybin has the potential to change the personality (with regards to openness) in adults. Some times permanently from a single psychedelic experience.

It sounds promising that you've been able to abstain from your usual ibuprofen protocol with out any issue or attacks. Especially considering that before your first does you had to take them continuously to get you through.

Even better still that you can relax with a cold beer :grin:

I'll be interested to see how your micro dosing goes and if you get any more cluster head aches in the near future. Keep us posted :mushroom2:


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: MightyMustache]
    #19367873 - 01/04/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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MightyMustache said:
I've seen some documentaries on lsd/mushrooms relieving cluster headaches, good to read it helps you too OP.

Out of curiosity, lets say you're about to trip and feel a (regular) headache coming up, would it go away too or does it specifically and only help with the cluster-kind?




Hey MM - there's some decent documentaries but even better some (limited) clinical trial research with both LSD and Psilocin that are very encouraging. Check out this article from the American Academy of Neurology.

As far as a 'regular' tension headache goes, my experience is limited in using psilocin but it seems like my headaches go away for the duration of the trip, then begin to return as I come down. For these type of headaches, provided you aren't allergic to NSAID drugs (aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, naproxin) it seems like a safe, low dosage, oral treatment of advil, tylenol or aleve might still be best as they are effective within 20 minutes with no hallucinating.

The reason psilocin is a good treatment for cluster headaches is that most cluster heads are on some kind of vasoconstrictor (beta blockers, calcium channel blockers, etc.) as a prophylactic and a triptan (synthesized tryptamine based medicine) for acute therapy. Psilocin acts on the same 5-HT1B and 5-HT1D receptors in cranial blood vessels as a triptan and acts as a vasoconstrictor as well.

When I get a regular headache I just pop an ibuprofen provided I'm not drinking heavily and voila, problem solved (tylenol does nothing for me so advil liquid gels are my saviour). When I start getting a cluster cycle, I know I'm in for weeks of pain, modified schedule and $500+ in medication so mushrooms only seem like a viable headache treatment for something as extreme as clusters.

Sorry for the long winded answer! Hope that covers it! And remember, I am definitely not a doctor - just a meat popsicle trying to live life without pain!



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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19369197 - 01/04/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh thanks, looks like we have a scientist  :laugh:

Luckily i don't have headaches on a regular basis or anything. But still good to know that i wont have to abstain from tripping if i would feel one coming up.


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: MightyMustache]
    #19386593 - 01/08/14 05:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Woke up today (my next dose day) with a pretty strong shadow/precursor headache + pressure. Going to try to make it through the day without anything but this is the feeling that fills me with fear for the pain that is yet to come...

Wish me luck - I'm working on demolition of a basement my company is renovating until 5 o'clock when I can get home and take my next bump of tryptamine. Really hope this doesn't manifest. :crazy::mad::crazy:


Trip report to follow - I have 0.44g of P cubensis ready and waiting.

EDIT: Took 200 mg of ibuprofen to try to abort this thing... was just coming on a bit strong and I got scared. Trying not to feel like this is a failure, it is my dose day after all. I think 5 days between micro doses might be too much. Going to try to keep it at 4 days for now.


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19392629 - 01/09/14 08:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey all!

So I went to work yesterday and ran a jackhammer for 4 hours while hauling rocks - exactly what I should be doing for a migraine right? Anyway I chugged a bunch of coffee to get some caffein in my system (vasoconstrictor) and the 200 mg of ibuprofen seemed to be working and nothing ever manifested fully.

I got off work and went to a good friend's place and we split a micro dose - .36g each. It was a great body high, great conversation. We are both very experienced psychonauts but neither of us has a big desire to to large doses of shrooms any longer. Anyway, we had a few home brewed beer and smoked some marijuana and it felt like I should have a raging painful migraine with my vein standing out like crazy and throbbing with my heart beat. But the pain never showed up, it's like I can feel the psilocin fighting my cluster headaches in my own brain. It's really intense and strange but I can't explain it any other way. Like all the physical sensations of a migraine are there but being fought off by something so the lancing pain through my head just can't manifest.

It has to be these little allies. I'm going to set my cycle at 4 day micro doses as the fifth day I started getting a bit of a headache this time round. More info to come as I go. Next dose is on the weekend. Woke up today feeling a tiny bit hung over and some sensations of pressure but... no headaches. :rockon:


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19409115 - 01/12/14 04:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just dropped my followup micro-dose. Kept it small this time - 0.14 g

No news is good news, they really working!


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19409872 - 01/12/14 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Let us know!  I'm interested in seeing how long they can keep the clusters away.


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: hushmush]
    #19412417 - 01/13/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey man .. Good to hear that they are providing you with lasting benefit's. Still reading so keep us posted  :tripping:


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: Bubbles85]
    #19436547 - 01/18/14 06:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey hushmush! Hi Bubbles! Thanks for keeping up with my adventure here guys.

I'm still going strong, night before last I took a reeeeeal micro dose of 0.06 g in my tea before bed because I was super late getting home from work and it was a treatment night. So far looks like it was effective, though I just passed out so no trip report. Tomorrow is my repeat.

Despite working hard doing construction, grinding concrete, dealing with insane amounts of dust, loud noises, etc. I haven't had a single migraine. It does still feel like some shit is getting fought out in my head when I have too much to drink and I've had a couple regular tension headaches but the power of the medicine is strong! I'll post a trip report for tomorrow in case anything fun/interesting happens. Still not sure how much I'll take.

Hope you guys are all doing well - thanks again for keeping tabs on this experiment, the support from the community means a lot to me!

:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19437048 - 01/18/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice! That's a super low dose and its still working..bad ass!:mushroom2:


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: hushmush]
    #19451534 - 01/21/14 06:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice! That's a super low dose and its still working..bad ass!:mushroom2:




Yeah! I want to figure out a minimal low dose that still is effective as I'm not always able to trip :thumbup: So far it seems like the 0.05-0.1g micro dose is perfect. I can take it and go to sleep, or hang out and just get a tiny bit of a body high but the best part is.... NO MIGRAINES!

I took 0.09g in tea again on Sunday to keep my schedule up at around 9:00pm and was asleep still by midnight so I could get up to work Monday morning. I've had a few tension headaches, but nothing like the migraines I was getting through December. Even some of the feelings I described above that there was a "fight" happening in my head have gone away. Looks like this cycle may be winding down, successfully cluster busted.

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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19451558 - 01/21/14 06:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is so awesome dude. I'm glad to hear that does that for you. I can't believe this stuff is still illegal.. I just watched a documentary a few hours ago on LSD, and they were saying that there is a bromo atom on the LSD molecule that pretty much cures it, but it's still illegal. What the hell?

I just want to say this in support, but I used to get a rather serious degree of migraine quite often, now it's only an occasional occurrence. Ever since I started doing mushrooms this hardly ever happens.

Legalize our rights!


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19451668 - 01/21/14 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are these tiny 0.05 or 0.06 gram doses etc taken daily ? it is a tiny amount if so, why not take a bit more?

My wife gets her migraine releaf with a 0.8'ish' dose once a week, she still takes prescription triptan drugs on a daily basis, but says these just tikle or modulate the headaches, and its only the mushroom dose that really kills them.


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #19451777 - 01/21/14 08:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Last I heard he was doing once every 4 days


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #19453368 - 01/21/14 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Are these tiny 0.05 or 0.06 gram doses etc taken daily ? it is a tiny amount if so, why not take a bit more?

My wife gets her migraine releaf with a 0.8'ish' dose once a week, she still takes prescription triptan drugs on a daily basis, but says these just tikle or modulate the headaches, and its only the mushroom dose that really kills them.




If you look at the info on cluster busters.org you'll see I'm following their recommendations. I am taking them every 4 days as hushmush said as the tryptamine takes 3-5 days to stop binding to the 5-ht receptor. When it is no longer bound, you then take another dose to keep "the door shut".

If it works for your wife, then great. I am trying to take very low, threshold doses on days where I don't have time to trip. When I do, I take a larger amount but I need to be able to take some every 4 days and my schedule doesn't always allow for getting all:

  :aweyeah:  :trippinbawelz:  :aweyeah:  :trippinbawelz:

One caution I have - your wife is still taking triptans? This can be very dangerous combining tryptamines with triptans and actually the triptans can severely undermine the efficacy of the tryptamine in treating the cluster headache. She might need less shrooms if she dumps the triptan altogether - if that's possible. Believe me, I know what it's like to depend on them for relief.

Read about it here: cluster busters "playing nice together" info. Triptans are a tryptamine based 5-ht receptor agonists acting on the very same receptors as psilocin. If you are already taking triptans it is guaranteed to mess with your tryptamine therapy. Proceed with caution - I am testing out this psilocin method of cluster headache treatment while taking nothing else that could interact with the psilocin. You don't want to mess with drug interactions, best to chat it over with your GP or research online using sites like cluster busters that provide trustworthy data. These are uncharted waters friend - tell your wife to stay safe!! :thumbup:


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #19470641 - 01/25/14 04:31 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

urthtown said
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Quote:

fantasticfungus said:
Are these tiny 0.05 or 0.06 gram doses etc taken daily ? it is a tiny amount if so, why not take a bit more?

My wife gets her migraine releaf with a 0.8'ish' dose once a week, she still takes prescription triptan drugs on a daily basis, but says these just tikle or modulate the headaches, and its only the mushroom dose that really kills them.




If you look at the info on cluster busters.org you'll see I'm following their recommendations. I am taking them every 4 days as hushmush said as the tryptamine takes 3-5 days to stop binding to the 5-ht receptor. When it is no longer bound, you then take another dose to keep "the door shut".

If it works for your wife, then great. I am trying to take very low, threshold doses on days where I don't have time to trip. When I do, I take a larger amount but I need to be able to take some every 4 days and my schedule doesn't always allow for getting all:

  :aweyeah:  :trippinbawelz:  :aweyeah:  :trippinbawelz:

One caution I have - your wife is still taking triptans? This can be very dangerous combining tryptamines with triptans and actually the triptans can severely undermine the efficacy of the tryptamine in treating the cluster headache. She might need less shrooms if she dumps the triptan altogether - if that's possible. Believe me, I know what it's like to depend on them for relief.

Read about it here: cluster busters "playing nice together" info. Triptans are a tryptamine based 5-ht receptor agonists acting on the very same receptors as psilocin. If you are already taking triptans it is guaranteed to mess with your tryptamine therapy. Proceed with caution - I am testing out this psilocin method of cluster headache treatment while taking nothing else that could interact with the psilocin. You don't want to mess with drug interactions, best to chat it over with your GP or research online using sites like cluster busters that provide trustworthy data. These are uncharted waters friend - tell your wife to stay safe!! :thumbup:




I can appreciate your difficulty sometimes with fitting the mushroom medicine in with daily life.  Mrs has it down to a fine art.. she makes sure she's well tired late in the evening after a hard days work, she has her 0.8 gram dose of wavy-cap tea and toddles off to bed, usually she's asleep during the mild effects from the small dose.

I understand what you mean about the "4 day dose thing" though, wife doses once each week and always she's struggling a bit by weeks end.

I believe the prescription drug she takes is a triptan one, its called pisotifen or sananogram, anyway it seems to work well with the shrooms what ever it is?


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #19616901 - 02/25/14 02:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Really interesting.  I use mushies for depression.  I try to take them every 7 days but ive been taking larger amounts.  Strangely enough I usually feel great for 4-5 days and then the cloud comes back again.  I wonder if it is anything to do with what you were saying about 4 day doses.  Maybe I need to micro dose in the week to keep that door shut as you say.

I also suffer from stress headaches which again go after tripping.


Hmm I need to research more.  These things are amazing.


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: Edmunter]
    #21119280 - 01/14/15 06:51 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

In case anyone is finding this thread and looking for more info on CH suffering - my CH are back driving that ice pick through my brain on a near daily basis again. I'm back on a micro dosing regime, off alcohol, limiting late nights, being careful about diet, keeping my coffee intake high and all the other tricks I've learned to make my cycles bearable.

One major difference is that both frequency and severity of the headaches has noticeably reduced since I began treating my CH with mushrooms one year ago exactly. This is cluster headache cycle number 8 for me with a typical cycle lasting 3-5 weeks with an agonizing, blindingly painful cluster headache above my right eye with a curst of pressure/pain out the base of my skull on the right side as well. As usual once in a cycle, there are many triggers. This cycle seems to throw a headache every morning between 9am and 11am which is wreaking havoc on my work day. Good thing I'm self employed. I do feel like it's interfering with my time with my daughter though and this is more frustrating than losing some time at work as she's only 9 weeks old and I really want to be spending my mornings happily with her rather than in pain shunning light and sound.

I keep having a frustrating time with my GP - he's receptive and really a very good doctor but has failed to really comprehend the severity of the condition as seems to be the case with most non-neurologists. I'm trying to see a local neurologist and see what they think about psilocin as a treatment option as I am tired of talking to medical professionals who actually know less than I do about my particular disorder.

Anyway, the shrooms are still giving me moments of absolute pain-free clarity with some pain on the days between treatments but ibuprofen is still working for that so usually I only have to writhe in agony for half an hour or so until the pain level drops to something manageable.

To all you CH sufferers out there, I'm with ya my friends. Stay strong, we'll find a way through the pain! That's all for now folks.

:hatsoff:


EDIT: I just realised my last posts were from a year ago. I forgot to add that I was headache free until June then aborted a cycle with P mexicana fruits and have been pain free until just before christmas. My cycle always begins at the end of a stressful period. The cortisol levels drop and wham I get smashed. Two full cycles aborted using psilocin though and working on a third. Thanks for all your support those of you who have been commenting/reading the whole way through this past year!


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Re: Cluster Busting Trip Report [Re: urthtown]
    #21119531 - 01/14/15 08:57 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I am going to have to look further into this as, I too, suffer from severe headaches and have for many years.

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