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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
    #19366636 - 01/04/14 01:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

SP: first of all good thread man.


We had this discussion earlier in the year in the sports forum about that incognito shit.

Anyway you told me about how you think black culture is toxic, and i got super offended like any good liberal upper middle class white kid would. Then i started hanging around some of the black kids at my college, all of them are great guys face to face. “I’m in school to better my self and be able to support a family some day” you get the point. Anyway i started to realize these kids that were pretty well spoken and well mannered by all accounts, when surrounded by other blacks, and i was the only white guy in the room, would start speaking in the most unintelligible bullshit slang about selling drugs. Basically just acting a completely different manner. They would also kinda harass me, not in a mean way but comments about me being white would increase 10 fold.

It really is like two totally different cultures. The kid i was talking to about finishing professional degrees with hours ago, is suddenly talking about robbing people at gun point. Keep in mind this is in a low crime place where blacks account for >10% of the population and these kids made it to college. I mean they are all still good kids for the most part it was just an eye opening experience. When blacks are outnumbered by whites they act entirely different then they do when the tables are flipped.


This doesn’t totally change my perception on race, but it does make me realize there are people that take shit you hear in rap songs seriously
I don’t believe any race is inherently better than another, and i doubt many people do, aside from the complete lost causes. I do see by the way we (me and the kid i was talking about) were brought up we will never be able to fully integrate into the others culture.  Im sure he would feel just as out of place if i took him to the country club and was talking golf with my white friends.



and I can safely say i never ever want to live in a poor black neighborhood. Sorry i gave you so much flack for pointing out the obvious just months ago :lol:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: elax420]
    #19367202 - 01/04/14 08:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's a cool dog/cat pack dude:thumbup:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander] * 3
    #19434379 - 01/17/14 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so after this completely laughable ban, from whatever white apologist who I am sure is too scared to show themselves, I have worked on some more points.

in fact, my ban is an actual living, breathing proof to my point. The reaction to racism is far more damaging than actual racism.

So, you have me, sitting here, making salient points about race and racism, in a forum designed to debate and discuss such things, without breaking any rules.... in fact, i feel pretty confident that I was creating some extremely civil and thoughtful discourse about race and racism, but certain mods have a personal agenda to stop people from communicating ideas about the fundamental problems that racism, and perceived racism create.
So.. you have me making an innocent thread, which may offend some people (as much as a thread on the shroomery can possibly do...?) but not flaming people, or stating my opinion in a manner that is obstinate or callous. Then some ridiculous moderator decides that my sentiments are wrong, and they were going to take it upon themselves to be the thought police by banning me for 2 weeks for a feeble, thin, non-existent reason...
so what was worse... my calm, coherent, civil discourse discussing race/racism, or a moderator with an ignorant agenda to snuff out any discourse about race/racism?

Much like the dozens of stories about a black kid being shot by a white cop, who later got a slap on the wrist, and then the black community threatens (or commits) a riot, which does billions in damage and injures/kills multiple people.... what is worse: passive racism, or the reaction to perceived racism?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19434705 - 01/17/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I couldn't tell you man and I live in Mississippi of all places :laugh:
Simply put the mass of people here are just ignorant beyond belief.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19435615 - 01/17/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

SneezingPenis said:
so after this completely laughable ban, from whatever white apologist who I am sure is too scared to show themselves, I have worked on some more points.

in fact, my ban is an actual living, breathing proof to my point. The reaction to racism is far more damaging than actual racism.

So, you have me, sitting here, making salient points about race and racism, in a forum designed to debate and discuss such things, without breaking any rules.... in fact, i feel pretty confident that I was creating some extremely civil and thoughtful discourse about race and racism, but certain mods have a personal agenda to stop people from communicating ideas about the fundamental problems that racism, and perceived racism create.
So.. you have me making an innocent thread, which may offend some people (as much as a thread on the shroomery can possibly do...?) but not flaming people, or stating my opinion in a manner that is obstinate or callous. Then some ridiculous moderator decides that my sentiments are wrong, and they were going to take it upon themselves to be the thought police by banning me for 2 weeks for a feeble, thin, non-existent reason...
so what was worse... my calm, coherent, civil discourse discussing race/racism, or a moderator with an ignorant agenda to snuff out any discourse about race/racism?

Much like the dozens of stories about a black kid being shot by a white cop, who later got a slap on the wrist, and then the black community threatens (or commits) a riot, which does billions in damage and injures/kills multiple people.... what is worse: passive racism, or the reaction to perceived racism?




Sorry man.  Who banned you?  For what it's worth I thought you presented your perspective respectfully and without violating any of the forum's rules.  The moderator who triggered your ban has some explaining to do IMO.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
    #19435659 - 01/17/14 11:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

An ADMIN, WiccanSeeker.

When somebody makes a comment like:

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black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".





or

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The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".




it's easy to see how they're trolling, provoking an emotionally charged response.  Had he said "I think some black people's culture is toxic, lazy, selfish, and oblivious, and thus think derogatory comments about those specific people, not because they're black, but because of those specific qualities." I think he wouldn't have been banned - nor would somebody else's ban needed to be  reversed for calling him out.

For the second quote, BFD if any of that sullies his mood, nothing specifically mentioned did anyone harm... Oh lord he had to wait in line a bit longer or his ears were de-verginized by a "thump thump", yet he was compelled to illustrate his sentiments with a racially derogative term which offends all black people and likely many minorities...

Keep up the QQing Sneezing, should Wiccan read it again, I won't miss ya.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19435852 - 01/18/14 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CosmicJoke said:
An admin, WiccanSeeker.

When somebody makes a comment like:

Quote:

black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".





or

Quote:

The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".




It's easy to see how they're trolling, provoking an emotionally charged response.  Had he said "I think some black people's culture is toxic, lazy, selfish, and oblivious, and think derogatory comments about those specific people, not because they're black, but because of those qualities." I think he wouldn't have been banned - nor would have somebody else's ban just needed to be  reversed for calling them out.

For the second quote, BFD if any of that sullies your mood, nothing specifically mentioned did anyone harm, yet you used a racially derogative term which offends all black people and likely many minorities...

Keep up the QQing Sneezing, should Wiccan read it again, I won't miss ya.




so it is against forum rules to explain my thought process when directly asked about it? how is that against the rules? in fact, Markos did break the rules...
so do you see how simply because you are so irrationally angry (which is fundamentally the "evil" behind racism) about my thoughts, that you feel justified and even smugly righteous in unfairly penalizing someone who has followed all the rules, while simultaneously forgiving someone for acting in direct opposition to the rules? all because they have thoughts that you disagree with.

but thank you wiccan, and cosmic, for elegantly proving almost all my points i have made so far in this thread. You guys are like the christians who spend so much time and effort battling this non-existent cause to "keep christ in christmas". No one, not even atheists, really give 2 shits about whether or not you say "merry christmas" or "happy holidays", but the second someone else says "happy holidays" you have to over-react and demonize that person for using a word, or having "different thoughts".

My "racism" has never harmed anyone. I am willing to bet that you and wiccan seekers' call to arms to squash out any bad thoughts about brown people has done far more damage on a macro and micro level than my aversion to be around a certain type of person.
makes me chuckle every time i see someone who hates people for hating people, and when they think they are better than people that think they are better than people. Where does your hypocrisy end? can't tolerate intolerance and anyone who doesn't fly my flag of unconditional unity is my enemy... what happens when you hate the hater? what happens when you bully the bully? what happens when you ostracize the ostracizer? All you did was one-up their alleged lack of progressiveness and become the very thing you were trying to squash.

why is saying "niggers suck" any different than saying "christians suck"? how is one a personal flame, yet the other is expressed in almost every other thread in here? your criteria is irrational, and unfounded. you are worse than any racist could ever be...


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19435870 - 01/18/14 12:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You'd be wrong, as I had 100% zero influence in WS's decision, though I DID appeal to him to make an amendment to REVISE the guidelines AFTER the decision had been made to CLARIFY the rules.  He said the rules were fine, but mods needed to use better discretion. 

I'll happily :pm: you every last word I've said to him about the matter. 

Edit: actually nothing I said was in relation to any disciplinary action towards you, but rather whether MtG should be banned.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19435893 - 01/18/14 12:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i couldn't care less about your whining.

what amendments or clarification was done?

if you care so much about this, why don't you actually make real counter-arguments that are relevant to the thread, rather than being indignant?
do you honestly not see how in everything you have done so far (in this thread) has done nothing than further prove my points? I might as well be giving a live demonstration on a stage somewhere.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19435911 - 01/18/14 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CosmicJoke said:

Quite personally I may add that I'm glad that I don't have to live near uneducated, racist hicks here in Portland..




so tell me... how was this any less racist than what i said and got banned for?

please explain.

:popcorn:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19435921 - 01/18/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

in fact, i am going to flag that post and request that you be banned for your insulting comments towards white people who find the word "hick" to be derogatory towards them.

not because i actually think wiccan seeker has the ethos in him to act fairly in this matter and deservingly ban you, but because he actually will not ban you, further showing just how far down one has to slide to hang on to their irrational persecution of thoughts.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19435923 - 01/18/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll gladly deplore intolerance and bigotry :finger:.

As I said, no amendments or clarifications to the rules were made, he said he wishes for the mods to use better discretion when choosing to ban a member.

A counter point to what?  You think you need to explain your thought processes explicitly with racially charged terms, as if that doesn't discourage everyone who isn't a straight white male from participating in philosophical discourse?  Find a better way to get your point across.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19435930 - 01/18/14 12:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

SneezingPenis said:
Quote:

CosmicJoke said:

Quite personally I may add that I'm glad that I don't have to live near uneducated, racist hicks here in Portland..




so tell me... how was this any less racist than what i said and got banned for?

please explain.

:popcorn:




Did I call out a specific race?  At best that's a derogatory word to countryside people who are unintelligent and provincial.  Try again.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19435940 - 01/18/14 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you do realize that hick is a racial epithet.

if i asked 10 people what "hick" meant, what do you think all 10 of those people would say? i think we are passed the semantical and etymological arguments of words, otherwise "nigger" would simply mean black with no racial charge one way or the other.

come on cosmic.... you are better than that. stop trying to play dumb. you know that "hick" is a racial epithet, no different than the word "nigger".

explain yourself.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19435959 - 01/18/14 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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you do realize that hick is a racial epithet.

if i asked 10 people what "hick" meant, what do you think all 10 of those people would say? i think we are passed the semantical and etymological arguments of words, otherwise "nigger" would simply mean black with no racial charge one way or the other.

come on cosmic.... you are better than that. stop trying to play dumb. you know that "hick" is a racial epithet, no different than the word "nigger".

explain yourself.




Um, no, "nigger" would not simply mean black. :wtf: are you talking about?  It would be a disparaging term that virtually black people would find offensive from a white man.  Hardly the same could be said against white people who hear the word 'hick', which implies a lack of culture diversity.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19435994 - 01/18/14 01:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wow, you are really fighting reality here.

so you think that it is ok to say hick, but not nigger, because the people that used "nigger" were meaner than the people that used "hick"?

this is not a subjective thing. Hick is a racist term. it is synonymous with meaning "poor white trash", just as nigger is a racist term that means "poor ignorant black".

stop trying to dodge the question with bullshit. you know that there is no difference between the two terms. So far your argument has been "nuh uh" and just flat out denying reality.

I am not arguing with you whether or not hick is a racist term, because it is. I am asking you why you think it is different.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19436010 - 01/18/14 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and are you basing the "wrongness" of the word "nigger" on how certain people react to it? and if so, who put you in charge of Gallup polling? how do you know that a white person called a hick is always less insulted than a black person being called a nigger?

you literally make no sense right now.

take your lumps like a man. own up and just admit that you are as racist as the next guy.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19436011 - 01/18/14 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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wow, you are really fighting reality here.

so you think that it is ok to say hick, but not nigger, because the people that used "nigger" were meaner than the people that used "hick"?

this is not a subjective thing. Hick is a racist term. it is synonymous with meaning "poor white trash", just as nigger is a racist term that means "poor ignorant black".

stop trying to dodge the question with bullshit. you know that there is no difference between the two terms. So far your argument has been "nuh uh" and just flat out denying reality.

I am not arguing with you whether or not hick is a racist term, because it is. I am asking you why you think it is different.




I do disagree, because I don't think the term hick is only applicable to white people.. Perhaps that's true in your reality tunnel, but not mine.  Basically applied to ignorant, uncultured haters with a complete disregard for cultural diversity.  No race applicable. :sorry:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19436023 - 01/18/14 01:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so because you think that a term doesn't mean what it actually means, you have decided that it isn't racist?

in a way, you are completely agreeing with me... because if you go back in this thread and see my points about how "nigger" doesn't mean just a black person, but anyone who expresses black culture, which could easily mean Eminem and other white people.... therefor making it not a racial term.... well, when i use it.

so which is it, are you agreeing with me, or trying to create this personal loophole that allows you to not recognize your own "intolerance"?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19436038 - 01/18/14 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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so because you think that a term doesn't mean what it actually means, you have decided that it isn't racist?

in a way, you are completely agreeing with me... because if you go back in this thread and see my points about how "nigger" doesn't mean just a black person, but anyone who expresses black culture, which could easily mean Eminem and other white people.... therefor making it not a racial term.... well, when i use it.

so which is it, are you agreeing with me, or trying to create this personal loophole that allows you to not recognize your own "intolerance"?




I don't know much about Eminem frankly, but I know he has an interest in the arts and has experience in both music and drama... The word 'hick' isn't the first word that comes to mind.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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