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hmmn


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Re: I think, therefore I am [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19431911 - 01/17/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said:
Well, I am thinking. Therefore I must be. What must I be?
Descartes's line of reasoning went "I think, therefore I am; or at least, therefore a thinking being is." Perhaps this is flawed; couldn't there just be thinking?
Descartes assumes early in Meditations that cognitive activity must have an actor performing it in order to appear. Why must it have an actor? Do other natural phenomenon require an actor to occur? e.g. does wind require an entity that "winds"?
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redgreenvines
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Re: I think, therefore I am [Re: deCypher]
#19432769 - 01/17/14 11:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: Have you ever experienced ego death/ego loss?
Words are pretty ineffectual at describing the mystical experience, which is why (the good parts) of Eastern philosophy tend to sound contradictory or tautological to the rational mind.
Perhaps a better version of what I'm trying to say would be Nothing thinks/there is no thought, therefore Being. I'm attempting to represent the experience of ego death in my conclusion, if that makes any sense. 
mystical experience happens when multiple moments coexist in the brain ideas and their opposites become associated and coexist with past and present. attempting to use logic (a linear procession of linked ideas and images) that invokes mystical ideas (non-linear overlapping tableaux of ideas and images) always fails to satisfy.
what was experienced cannot be denied (it is taken to be realization)
this is like the game scissors cut paper, paper wraps stone, stone smashes scissors.
quoting myself,
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well a mystical state of mind (which includes emotion or drug like experiencing) is like the rock, and logic is like scissors.
basically emotional state of mind will smash logic (can't be argued)
what then is the 3rd entity, what is the paper??? what is that thing that logic can cut, yet still wraps rock/ emotion.
I think it is abiding. aka sitting by, or being with. (one person sitting beside themselves, or another person sitting by the afflicted one, or even a whole circle of people sitting beside an afflicted one)
when a person adds their consciousness, un-judging, but observant awareness to the rock (emotion) the conscious awareness wraps the rock.
in the east people venerate spiritual "trip reports" like holy rocks and use the telling of them to break scissoring logic when they can get away with it it is very much like temper tantrums but much more dignified.
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Icyus
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I just looked into my tablet and it felt me dumbfounded....it is wayyyyyy smarter than me..
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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redgreenvines
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Re: I think, therefore I am [Re: Icyus] 2
#19433240 - 01/17/14 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: I just looked into my tablet and it felt me dumbfounded....it is wayyyyyy smarter than me..
but would it fight to defend it's opinions?
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