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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: rougescientist]
    #19386823 - 01/08/14 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if making a hybrid mono with two 1inch holes at substrate, then using the pump to pump air into the top of the mono. That way you are re-creating the mono but with an active system versus a passive one.

My only worry is 2 much FAE, but I found that you can buy air pumps that are adjustable so you can dial it in!


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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19387283 - 01/08/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Something things I noted: The substrate felt really 'weak' / 'gushy' like this flush had consumed a lot of the nutrients already.  There were lots of side pins because I used a white trash bag for a liner. All the side pins were on the side that was facing the light.  This confirms that light is definitely one of the important pinning triggers.  Pins on the sides were ALMOST non existent while there were absolutely no pins on the back.




Light does not cause side pins, light hitting the substrate anywhere will cause it to pin where conditions are good. Based on the fact that you are blowing dry air through this thing on the regular, those side pins are just growing where conditions are best. To me this says that the conditions in the tub were not ideal, it has nothing to do with light.

Also, a "weak" feeling substrate is usually a dry substrate. Sometimes some strains will be "weaker" than others as well.

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When I first saw the shrooms coming in I thought the bottoms looked way to fuzzy but they actually didn't turn out that way. They are very proportional all the way through HOWEVER these shrooms and the ones in the first air pump tub are way denser and meatier than any shroom I've had from PF Tek or a traditional monotub design.  They also didn't grow higher than about 4 inches max.




The small shrooms in abundance means your RH was suffering, due to the air pump. This will dry your substrate out too fast and cause a few of the things you are describing.


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Re: Harvest Complete [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19388122 - 01/08/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice flush man. 
I don't think light is a pin trigger how you think it is.

In my observation low rh in the fc causes side pins when using a liner, regardless of the color.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19388486 - 01/08/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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After the pins start growing big the humidity goes through the roof because the hoses struggle to move air through the 'forest'



Nope.  Logic incomplete can lead one astray...

Fruits release high humidity. They're practically like "humidity towers."

These photos are of the same container and were taken at the same time of different sides of it.
No fruits, no condensation:


Same container's other side with large fruits (and another container), lots of moisture and condensation stays, only near the fruits:


Once fruits are so large they no longer need high humidity but rather they provide it via the moisture from the substrate.
But still as knots and tiny pins they're very sensitive to surface mycelium drying in a flash from low humidity and moisture.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Violet]
    #19388594 - 01/08/14 03:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol I use those same containers for agar, violet.

also I forgot to ask E T if he mists or not


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Violet]
    #19390101 - 01/08/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Light does not cause side pins, light hitting the substrate anywhere will cause it to pin where conditions are good.




I know light doesn't cause side pins. The second part of your sentence was what I was trying to convey.  I used to think that light didn't matter at all to pinning. 

The area of humidity is always going to be highest between the liner and the substrate.  In this case, the liner didn't fully 'stick' to the sub as it contracted.

So the conditions were ideal in the area around the liner, but the pins only formed on the side that was getting light.  In my previous understanding, I thought that side pins would form around the entire liner regardless of light.  Again, the second part of your sentence was what I was trying to convey.

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After the pins start growing big the humidity goes through the roof because the hoses struggle to move air through the 'forest'



Nope.  Logic incomplete can lead one astray...

Fruits release high humidity. They're practically like "humidity towers."





Thank you for taking the time to post in my thread Violet. :heart:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19390132 - 01/08/14 07:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hows your cat doing


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: cronicr]
    #19390423 - 01/08/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hows your cat doing




Actually funny you should ask. I think he may have some kind of lung infection. When he gets excited and purrs too hard he starts coughing so I have to take him to the vet.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19390448 - 01/08/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:frown: hope he gets better


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Violet]
    #19390574 - 01/08/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fruits release high humidity. They're practically like "humidity towers."




I was reading an article about this, apparently they do this to help eject the spores via the currents that are formed when the humidity is released. This in turn helps the spores travel farther.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19390581 - 01/08/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i read the same article, it's in the pdf library i believe


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: cronicr]
    #19399942 - 01/10/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Second, it actually uses less electricity than the traditional monotub setup. "LOL But wait Tiger the traditional monotub doesn't use any electricity hahah dumbass!" O rly? A properly dialed in monotub requires a fan circulating air in the room.  I just looked at a simple little fan I have and it uses 120 watts. 



Actually the traditional monotub doesn't make use of a fan. That's Frank's revised method.

Compared to a normal monotub I don't think it this setup is very practical however it would be interesting to see what kind of effects the placement of the tubes can have on mushroom growth. You could even try something nutty like pumping the air directly into the substrate.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: Kizzle]
    #19401177 - 01/10/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Kizzle said:You could even try something nutty like pumping the air directly into the substrate.




Woah there Kizzle.  There's unpractical and then there's just plain fucking nuts!  Go take your crazy somewhere else! :wink:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins HARVEST BEGINS 1/7 Contest [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19401316 - 01/10/14 09:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nah just nutty. Fucking nuts would be placing the tubes into the mushrooms themselves :lol:


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: Kizzle]
    #19401583 - 01/10/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wet wait was 1196 grams (2.6 lbs)

Dry weight is 150 grams (5.3 ounces)

For a multispore grow I'm going to say I'm satisfied with this tub.  I still have a lot of multispore syringes to use up.  I've got pasty plates colonizing right now that I hope to be isolating soon so that I can actually try to dial this in as a side project.

Frank said that the dry air is going to dry out the substrate. I wonder if I pumped it in above the substrate instead of directly at the same level if it wouldn't be so intense on it.  Thoughts from the peanut gallery?  Any ideas?  Yes I know that 'building a regular monotub' is the ideal solution but I actually want to see if this can be dialed in successfully.  The potential for closet stealth grows that people ask for all the time is there.  Even at this point 5.3 ounces for a closet grow would be a pretty good haul I think.  But I want to get it yielding 6 oz at least and 8 on average.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19431592 - 01/17/14 01:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to bump this thread since it's been a week since the last post.  I've got the second flush almost ready to blossom. I didn't dunk the substrate, just misted the shit out of it when I woke up, on my lunch breaks, and when I got home.  I dialed it back to one hose and it's holding humidity MUCH better now that the second hose isn't piping in air. I think in the future this is going to be a single hose/hole operation instead of the double.  Pictures coming soon.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: rougescientist]
    #19432792 - 01/17/14 11:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I wonder if making a hybrid mono with two 1inch holes at substrate, then using the pump to pump air into the top of the mono. That way you are re-creating the mono but with an active system versus a passive one.

My only worry is 2 much FAE, but I found that you can buy air pumps that are adjustable so you can dial it in!





I think this might be a good idea to help the sub not get so dried out like what was happening.. Maybe even put the pump on a timer? so its not consitantly blowing are in.. idk just some ideas. I like the idea tho. I read a cupple threads about people hooking up humidifiers to there tub. like here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6967150/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/5
I wanted to try this but seemed people more so thought it wasnt worth the time and effort and got talked out of it.


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #19433126 - 01/17/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to say GREAT JOB! I feel you had the right enviroment for those things to get that large and uniform in size. This thread is getting me alot questions I had answered. Like using two entrypositions on the FC trying to create the airflow needed while also not drying our your substrate. By you saying your substate was turning mush would indicate that mosture was in ther cake, which also make some sense because you said that the mushroom would pull the substrate up with it while harvesting. Anyways great job balancing your RH in a new chamber, gonna try that one with my P.Envy that are close to going in this week so this helped me make my decision on how im gonna achieve my perfect RH enviroment  in my situation..


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: sololas] * 1
    #19440322 - 01/18/14 11:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I just met this new girl and she's been spending the night. so I've had to close the closet and keep the grow in there. I did not dunk it.  I just misted the shit out of the substrate for four days after the first harvest (plus one day of no misting and no FAE so it could have undisturbed consolidation time.)

For this flush I also unplugged one of the air hoses.  So just one hose... It held humidity WAY better the entire time.

Because of the girl being over I didn't get to harvest until after the sporasplosion when she went home.  The shrooms were a lot bigger this time. Taller and even meatier and dense than before. There were definitely less of them though.

       


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Re: The Air Pump Monotub Round II - Multispore Cubensis (Fiji) pins [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19440341 - 01/18/14 11:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Because of the girl being over I didn't get to harvest until after the sporasplosion when she went home. 



so one before and after she left! BOOM!:laugh2:
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