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King Klick
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: Echro]
#19429709 - 01/16/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: exactly. Let the fucking banks fail, and the oil companies, and the auto companies. Fuck bail outs.
 Too big to fail? Not on my fucking dime
 
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psyconaught
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: King Klick]
#19429714 - 01/16/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Echro said:
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psyconaught said: exactly. Let the fucking banks fail, and the oil companies, and the auto companies. Fuck bail outs.
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psilynut
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
#19431205 - 01/16/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: exactly. Let the fucking banks fail, and the oil companies, and the auto companies. Fuck bail outs.
Echro said: Too big to fail? Not on my fucking dime
Let the oil company's fail? Do you guys have jobs? Every construction company I have ever worked for relies on the constant uninterrupted supply of diesel to get their shit to the job site . And most of the heavy equipment used to put shit together is powered by diesel. So there goes my job. If you work in a grocery store ,dam near any store or a warehouse your job probably relies on a diesel powered 18 wheeler to pick shit up or drop shit off. And let's not forget about the drivers. Do you guys like to eat? I do. Guess who also relies on diesel ? FARMERS! They need it to harvest shit . They get their own special diesel called red dye diesel. It's not really special , just tax free . You know who makes jet fuel for our military? Our oil company's and their refineries . The airforce is gunna hate you . I'm guessing our commercial airlines and the people who need them would have something to say about your plans as well. If your house is on fire or threatened by a forest fire the firemen are going to want to drive their fire truck ,helicopter ,or plane there to put water on it. Haven't even said anything about gas yet. Something as simple as a fire in a refinery or equipment failure that causes them to flare can cause prices to go up. Do you expect the price to go down if they fail? So what I gather from you is you want seriously hurt the construction industry, and most other jobs, disrupt our food supply , hurt our air force , hurt our commercial airline industry , send the price of gas through the roof and watch everyone's fucking house burn down. Yay thumbs up for you guys! What the oil company's give us is way more important than what we give them, we just give them our money, they give us everything we need to make life in the modern world securely and reliably happen . Your liberty and security is not maintained by your second amendment right , the mafia will always have you outgunned . That comes from our governments ability to enforce laws , and the cops need to put gas in their cars to do that. We could maybe let the other 2 fail , but let our oil company's fail and your dime will be more useful to you melted down and moulded into a bullet you'll have nothing to spend it on.
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starfire_xes
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psilynut]
#19431289 - 01/17/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the oil companies don't get 'bailed out' They get tax credits when they produce oil in other countries and those countries tax the shit out of them. They do get subsidies for research.
What is the government's stake? Well, the Federal Government makes more money off the oil the oil companies produce than the oil company does.
Now the banks, that is another story.
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psyconaught
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psilynut]
#19431291 - 01/17/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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without government assistance the oil companies will simply need to be better managed.
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starfire_xes
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
#19431330 - 01/17/14 12:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: without government assistance the oil companies will simply need to be better managed.
What leads you to believe the oil companies are poorly managed?
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psyconaught
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: starfire_xes]
#19431345 - 01/17/14 12:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: without government assistance the oil companies will simply need to be better managed.
What leads you to believe the oil companies are poorly managed? 
i don't think they are necessarily poorly managed. They would just be better managed without gov. subsidies.
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starfire_xes
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
#19431408 - 01/17/14 12:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, right. I think the govenment meddling on all levels creates inefficiencies and also creates crutches that the companies depend on. But unlike GM, etc, oil companies are self-sustainiing.
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zappaisgod
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: King Klick]
#19433657 - 01/17/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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King Klick said: The difference is lefties don't support the rich. Which as far as I'm concerned is following majority rule. I have no problem with liberal republicans though.
the left support the rich just as much as the right. The crucial difference? The left want big business and big government to be one and the same. The right want big business to exist, just separate from the government.
Is that why the right likes to bail out companies (obama did it to, not a fan of that) and give big subsidies to the corporations? I think you got it the other way around.
The right doesn't want to bail out any businesses it doesn't ruin itself. The Republicans do. Not the same thing.
By the way, not taxing me does not equal subsidizing me any more than not robbing me means you gave me money
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#19435145 - 01/17/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is a small-minded opinion to think that all left-wing students are unwilling to hear opposition.
The man in the video is very condescending and overly opinionated. He should practice what he preaches and spread the love a little more 
As one comment said: "If dictionaries had pictures or videos, then this would be the caption for ''Irony''."
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The Ecstatic
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught] 1
#19452745 - 01/21/14 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: You are free to live in socialist communities here in America. However once you start forcing others into that system we have a problem. Capitalism allows free association with the method of employment/work of your choosing.
It also "allows" the employer to pay you jack shit when he knows the job market is in bad shape.
Lets stop pretending that capitalism =opportunity for all. This debate should have ended 40 years ago.
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19452782 - 01/21/14 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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but capitalism does equal opportunity for all.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
#19452800 - 01/21/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: but capitalism does equal opportunity for all.
No, it doesn't.
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psyconaught
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19452824 - 01/21/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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explain. How is free associate of individuals negative?
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sytar
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
#19453159 - 01/21/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The way I see it socialism would be the natural state of society without government. Without limited liability given to companies by the government the current stockholder/LLC structure could never exist. The difference between socialism and capitalism is a mere alteration of the corporate structure. Mondragon Corporation does socialism right. Without the gov every company would too.
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zappaisgod
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19453207 - 01/21/14 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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psyconaught said: You are free to live in socialist communities here in America. However once you start forcing others into that system we have a problem. Capitalism allows free association with the method of employment/work of your choosing.
It also "allows" the employer to pay you jack shit when he knows the job market is in bad shape.
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Lets stop pretending that capitalism =opportunity for all. This debate should have ended 40 years ago.
Start your own business if you don't like it. Nobody is stopping you. The government is hindering you but not quite stopping you. Yet.
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zappaisgod
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19453213 - 01/21/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: but capitalism does equal opportunity for all.
No, it doesn't.
Equality of opportunity does not equal equality of outcome
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The Ecstatic
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: zappaisgod]
#19453308 - 01/21/14 03:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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psyconaught said: You are free to live in socialist communities here in America. However once you start forcing others into that system we have a problem. Capitalism allows free association with the method of employment/work of your choosing.
It also "allows" the employer to pay you jack shit when he knows the job market is in bad shape.
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Lets stop pretending that capitalism =opportunity for all. This debate should have ended 40 years ago.
Start your own business if you don't like it. Nobody is stopping you. The government is hindering you but not quite stopping you. Yet.
lol. It's so simple!!!
Theres a finite supply of capital, market share, and consumers, the same way there is a finite supply of jobs.
Not everybody can be a successful entrepreneur, the model of our economy explicitly forbids it. And statistics support that fact.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: zappaisgod]
#19453319 - 01/21/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: but capitalism does equal opportunity for all.
No, it doesn't.
Equality of opportunity does not equal equality of outcome
And?
Opportunity isn't even equal.
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psyconaught
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
#19453323 - 01/21/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the model of our economy explicitly forbids it
Thats crony capitalism for you notice that is crony capitalism. NOT capitalism.
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