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Invisiblerougescientist
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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19397659 - 01/10/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like the idea of libertarianism but.. It has its problems and I see it as a non-viable system when implemented fully. Just as communism is a good idea on paper but does not really work. Thats why there is no example of a pure libertarian system today. Main problem is with the privatization of public services or resources.

Like Water, Environmental issues, roads, police, fire department, Medicine.....

I like the idea but I just see libertarians as disgruntled members of a former party. I wish we had a system where a third party could challenge the establishment so we could get something new. :frown:


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: rougescientist]
    #19398443 - 01/10/14 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

there is no such thing as "pure libertarianism" its a general political philosophy. There can be many different sets of belief that fit within the umbrella of libertarian. For instance one person could want everything down to the military privatized, while others would still keep all government services still public, both are libertarians.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19422680 - 01/15/14 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19423019 - 01/15/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How unfortunate that you don't recognize the difference between an ideology and a party.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19423431 - 01/15/14 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Grapefruit said:
Liberalism just happens to be the more prevalent view.




Ummm... nope.

At least in the US...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-americans-more-conservative-liberal-social-issues-liberals-are-gaining




http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx



non sequitur.  Republican does not equal conservative.  Most conservatives I know wouldn't piss on the Republicans if they were on fire


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19423668 - 01/15/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Grapefruit said:
Liberalism just happens to be the more prevalent view.




Ummm... nope.

At least in the US...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-americans-more-conservative-liberal-social-issues-liberals-are-gaining




http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx



non sequitur.  Republican does not equal conservative.  Most conservatives I know wouldn't piss on the Republicans if they were on fire




Obviously.

Not trying to refute your claim, just add some relevant information.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19423756 - 01/15/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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perhaps it just what my exposure has been but from what i can tell the right is just as bad as the left at trying to suppress alternative view points. Of course i am not talking about the moderate right. But the hard core religious freaks on fox. As you get closer and closer to the middle on both sides i noticed this behavior tends to reduce.




:facepalm: I cannot believe you are on a website for growing mushrooms and are right sided calling leftists religious fanatics as though republicans aren't



I will say this, although I don't believe communism could ever truly work, in any real society, because obviously not everyone will work equally and therefore sharing everything equivalently is futile, I don't believe in capitalism at all. Capitalism is a fraud to help achieve a reason that rich can be rich and why everyone else didn't "work as hard" and can't share the same wealth.

I truly wish that socialism could have worked, and was working. I think it would be a true testament to a much better form of government, a much smaller gap between classes, and could serve as an example that capitalism could not follow. I find capitalism to be more fair simply because of our democratic freedom of speech laws and balance of power e.g. the f.b.i. could arrest the military but the military could arrest the f.b.i. but the president controls them all but the president can be impeached etc.

HOWEVER, socialism has come a LONG LONG ways in the last 50 years, and the quality of life in socialist countries has much improved. Perhaps in time socialism could still teach us a valuable lesson. I believe in working hard and sharing, something I learned when I was a little kid. Everyone cooks and cleans the kitchen and everyone eats. This I believe. But it sure doesn't exist in capitalism and unfortunately not in communism either


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19423769 - 01/15/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Grapefruit said:
Liberalism just happens to be the more prevalent view.




Ummm... nope.

At least in the US...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-americans-more-conservative-liberal-social-issues-liberals-are-gaining




http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx



non sequitur.  Republican does not equal conservative.  Most conservatives I know wouldn't piss on the Republicans if they were on fire




:piss:


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: imachavel]
    #19423783 - 01/15/14 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

your reading comprehension isn't quite up to snuff is it? I claimed both sides were just as guilty as the other. In fact the only time i brought up religious fanaticism is in reference to the right.

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I believe in working hard and sharing, something I learned when I was a little kid.



Awesome work ethic. Something everyone should have. However there is a difference between leaning that ethic and being forced to practice it at the point of a gun. I.e socialism.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19424273 - 01/15/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If socialism didnt involve such severe authority, Id respect it a lot. But then again, without such extreme authority what governnent would be so bad. Communist societies existed peacefully, communist governments are terrible


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: imachavel]
    #19424292 - 01/15/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are free to live in socialist communities here in America. However once you start forcing others into that system we have a problem. Capitalism allows free association with the method of employment/work of your choosing.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19424676 - 01/15/14 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

socialism and communism don't have anything to do with "forcing" any more then democracy has anything to do with "drafting." The governments take these basic forms of economic distribution and decide on what level of authority they will add and how much power the people have to change what is happening politically.

You could easily have a capitalist country that is completely fascist. As long as we are getting technical, I was under the impression that there has never been capitalism, democracy, socialism, or true communism within any form of government. Am I wrong?


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: imachavel]
    #19424869 - 01/15/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the only way a government gets anything done is by threat of violence.

No you cannot have a truly capitalist system with a fascist government. it is a contradiction of terms. You are correct in that there has never been a 'pure' system.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19429382 - 01/16/14 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The difference is lefties don't support the rich. Which as far as I'm concerned is following majority rule. :lol: I have no problem with liberal republicans though.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: King Klick]
    #19429393 - 01/16/14 05:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The difference is lefties don't support the rich. Which as far as I'm concerned is following majority rule. :lol: I have no problem with liberal republicans though.



the left support the rich just as much as the right. The crucial difference? The left want big business and big government to be one and the same. The right want big business to exist, just separate from the government.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19429548 - 01/16/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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psyconaught said:
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King Klick said:
The difference is lefties don't support the rich. Which as far as I'm concerned is following majority rule. :lol: I have no problem with liberal republicans though.



the left support the rich just as much as the right. The crucial difference? The left want big business and big government to be one and the same. The right want big business to exist, just separate from the government.



Is that why the right likes to bail out companies (obama did it to, not a fan of that) and give big subsidies to the corporations? I think you got it the other way around.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19429556 - 01/16/14 06:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The right want big business to exist, just separate from the government.




& this is where I draw the distinction between a successful business & a politically favored business. A fair majority of big business has it's palm out. Kick the crutch out from beneath them & we'll see if they can keep up like everybody else:stonedjerk:


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: King Klick]
    #19429630 - 01/16/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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King Klick said:
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psyconaught said:
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King Klick said:
The difference is lefties don't support the rich. Which as far as I'm concerned is following majority rule. :lol: I have no problem with liberal republicans though.



the left support the rich just as much as the right. The crucial difference? The left want big business and big government to be one and the same. The right want big business to exist, just separate from the government.



Is that why the right likes to bail out companies (obama did it to, not a fan of that) and give big subsidies to the corporations? I think you got it the other way around.



i should have clarified. I was meaning the right by the definition. Not the current state. Currently the left and right are puppets on each hand of the same person.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: Echro]
    #19429636 - 01/16/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Echro said:
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psyconaught said:
The right want big business to exist, just separate from the government.




& this is where I draw the distinction between a successful business & a politically favored business. A fair majority of big business has it's palm out. Kick the crutch out from beneath them & we'll see if they can keep up like everybody else:stonedjerk:



exactly. Let the fucking banks fail, and the oil companies, and the auto companies. Fuck bail outs.


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Re: A word to all the democrats and left wingers on here [Re: psyconaught]
    #19429662 - 01/16/14 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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exactly. Let the fucking banks fail, and the oil companies, and the auto companies. Fuck bail outs.



:thumbup:
Too big to fail? Not on my fucking dime:facepalm3:


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