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Moon_Sugar
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Third 25I trip coming up soon...
#19426205 - 01/16/14 04:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A Simple Collection of Thoughts in Regards to 25I-NBOMe
After scouring the trip reports on Erowid rather thoroughly and poring over just about every reliable and pseudo-reliable resource( i.e.,Erowid, Drugs-forum, Wikipedia, NeuroSoup, etc.) one could expect to find on such a scarcely-researched and relatively new research chemical, there are a few thoughts I'd like to record currently on 25I-NBOMe. Speaking relative to LSD, there is next to no reliable empirical data found on 25I-NBOMe in regards to its use in humans. The general consensus seems to be positive, with many users reporting extremely pleasant energy boosts, mood lifts, CEVs, visual distortion, color enhancement and various other hallucinations. A fair amount of users also tend to report spiritual or mystical experiences associated with higher doses of 25I(500µg+). The most common ROA seems to be sublingual, most likely due to the high number of street dealers/sketchy vendors selling it to ignorant teenagers as LSD.
On a very important note, in regards to users experiencing mystical, spiritual, even world-changing shifts in perception, I'd like to be the first to suggest I may be ingesting this chemical in a very inappropriate way. Perhaps my set/setting have been the cause of the problems, perhaps the root of this dilemma lies elsewhere, deep within myself. That being said, as I paged through the extensive trip reports it occurred to me that it may be a solid idea to put all of my thoughts down onto some metaphorical paper. Having a game-plan for my trip this weekend can, in my honest opinion, do nothing but good for me and my personal experience. I need to know exactly what I want out of this trip. My first experience, two tabs of unknown dosage, was incredibly strong and enjoyable to say the least. However, there was no game plan, and looking at it retrospectively, I don't think I gained much aside from a slightly enhanced appreciation for nature. In the midst of my euphoria, it became absolutely, perfectly clear to me that upon my death the entirety of my earthly possessions are to be split as equally as possible amongst my family and friends, and my body is to be cremated. My final wish is that my ashes be spread far out at sea, where I may begin my life cycle anew in the warm embrace of Mother Nature. My second trip on 25I was next to useless. One tab of unknown dosage presented me with a surprisingly strong trip for just one single blotter, but nothing more than what I had already experience. Lots of colors, trippy visual distortions, and LOTS of auditory hallucinations.
Moving on from my past experiences and into the game plan for my upcoming trip, my biggest worry is not set, but setting. Unfortunately, a vast duration of my trip is, yet again, going to be spent within the confines of a car. My first trip was spent almost entirely(~6 of the total 8 hours) in my van with D and T, so this is not necessarily something I won't be able to handle. However, a more relaxed, spiritual environment is absolutely preferred. I plan to spend a significant block of time meditating, but I expect this to be a difficult task given the environment I am being placed in. What I believe I have been searching for in my use of not only psychedelics but psychoactives such as cannabis is inner-peace, to put it most simply. I feel that before I face any of the major problems in my life and move forward to conquer the external factors of my existence, I require a mastery of the internal. As the late King of Pop said, "I'm starting with the man in the mirror." This seemingly simple task is actually rather daunting once given a bit of thought, so for my own sake I'm going to break it down into smaller, manageable sections.
1.) Namely, I must meet myself. The word "myself" is a very broad and encompassing one, covering not only physical appearance(aesthetics), character traits and qualities(personality), but also presence(true spiritual consciousness). One cannot master something they do not truly know. Knowing IS half the battle, after all.
2.) Secondly, thought just as important, I must convene with myself. Once the introductions are all done, I must speak with the inner essence of me that comprises my true spirit. A sense of oneness is absolutely pivotal to acquire here before moving on.
3.) Following a successful convergence of self, the fun begins. As a truly whole being, it is time to delve deep within myself and find my true purpose. My consciousness may have gotten the shit end of the stick when it manifested itself using this particular physical form as a conduit, but you can ALWAYS play the hand you're dealt. I have a purpose in the universe. It's time to discover it.
4.) I must make peace with death, and entertain the idea of not being able to fulfill my purpose in this lifetime. This stage of my existence may be an early one yet. I know I have eons of things to learn, and because of this there is a very real situation where my physical body is ended before I can complete my quest. Death is but a rebirth, being cast back into the universal stream of consciousness where I reside until I inhabit another body and continue my journey.
Realistically, this is a steep mountain to climb in just one session. I believe these short-term goals may have to be tackled over a series of future trips, but I do plan on completing at least one of the above goals per trip. I firmly believe spiritual and/or mystical experiences have a direct correlation with dosage. That being said, I plan to ingest three blotters this coming weekend, the most I've taken yet. It is currently T-40:00 until my voyage begins. I plan to spend this time reviewing and revising this list, as well as continuing my research on 25I-NBOMe, with one or two decent meditation sessions interspersed throughout the remaining timespan. I apologize for any typos, mistakes, or otherwise unseemly blemishes here, this was a spur-of-the-moment write-up that was written out in about ten minutes. I welcome comments, questions, concerns, and, yes, even criticisms, but please keep it constructive. Just a quick post to share my thoughts.
Happy tripping, everyone. Namaste.
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: Moon_Sugar]
#19426212 - 01/16/14 04:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paragraph much?
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redgreenvines
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: Moon_Sugar]
#19426282 - 01/16/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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like surrounding yourself with a cocoon froth of (word) bubbles - keep it simple - to the point.
anyway at the shroomery this topic should be in ODD 25i is considered an RC, not a "naturally" occurring entheogen - so even though you and I consider it a bona fide psychedelic, it is classed here with MMDA as "other drugs"
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: Moon_Sugar]
#19426306 - 01/16/14 05:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Moon_Sugar said: A Simple Collection of Thoughts in Regards to 25I-NBOMe
After scouring the trip reports on Erowid rather thoroughly and poring over just about every reliable and pseudo-reliable resource( i.e.,Erowid, Drugs-forum, Wikipedia, NeuroSoup, etc.) one could expect to find on such a scarcely-researched and relatively new research chemical, there are a few thoughts I'd like to record currently on 25I-NBOMe. Speaking relative to LSD, there is next to no reliable empirical data found on 25I-NBOMe in regards to its use in humans. The general consensus seems to be positive, with many users reporting extremely pleasant energy boosts, mood lifts, CEVs, visual distortion, color enhancement and various other hallucinations. A fair amount of users also tend to report spiritual or mystical experiences associated with higher doses of 25I(500µg+). The most common ROA seems to be sublingual, most likely due to the high number of street dealers/sketchy vendors selling it to ignorant teenagers as LSD.
On a very important note, in regards to users experiencing mystical, spiritual, even world-changing shifts in perception, I'd like to be the first to suggest I may be ingesting this chemical in a very inappropriate way. Perhaps my set/setting have been the cause of the problems, perhaps the root of this dilemma lies elsewhere, deep within myself. That being said, as I paged through the extensive trip reports it occurred to me that it may be a solid idea to put all of my thoughts down onto some metaphorical paper. Having a game-plan for my trip this weekend can, in my honest opinion, do nothing but good for me and my personal experience. I need to know exactly what I want out of this trip. My first experience, two tabs of unknown dosage, was incredibly strong and enjoyable to say the least. However, there was no game plan, and looking at it retrospectively, I don't think I gained much aside from a slightly enhanced appreciation for nature. In the midst of my euphoria, it became absolutely, perfectly clear to me that upon my death the entirety of my earthly possessions are to be split as equally as possible amongst my family and friends, and my body is to be cremated. My final wish is that my ashes be spread far out at sea, where I may begin my life cycle anew in the warm embrace of Mother Nature. My second trip on 25I was next to useless. One tab of unknown dosage presented me with a surprisingly strong trip for just one single blotter, but nothing more than what I had already experience. Lots of colors, trippy visual distortions, and LOTS of auditory hallucinations.
Moving on from my past experiences and into the game plan for my upcoming trip, my biggest worry is not set, but setting. Unfortunately, a vast duration of my trip is, yet again, going to be spent within the confines of a car. My first trip was spent almost entirely(~6 of the total 8 hours) in my van with D and T, so this is not necessarily something I won't be able to handle. However, a more relaxed, spiritual environment is absolutely preferred. I plan to spend a significant block of time meditating, but I expect this to be a difficult task given the environment I am being placed in. What I believe I have been searching for in my use of not only psychedelics but psychoactives such as cannabis is inner-peace, to put it most simply. I feel that before I face any of the major problems in my life and move forward to conquer the external factors of my existence, I require a mastery of the internal. As the late King of Pop said, "I'm starting with the man in the mirror." This seemingly simple task is actually rather daunting once given a bit of thought, so for my own sake I'm going to break it down into smaller, manageable sections.
1.) Namely, I must meet myself. The word "myself" is a very broad and encompassing one, covering not only physical appearance(aesthetics), character traits and qualities(personality), but also presence(true spiritual consciousness). One cannot master something they do not truly know. Knowing IS half the battle, after all.
2.) Secondly, thought just as important, I must convene with myself. Once the introductions are all done, I must speak with the inner essence of me that comprises my true spirit. A sense of oneness is absolutely pivotal to acquire here before moving on.
3.) Following a successful convergence of self, the fun begins. As a truly whole being, it is time to delve deep within myself and find my true purpose. My consciousness may have gotten the shit end of the stick when it manifested itself using this particular physical form as a conduit, but you can ALWAYS play the hand you're dealt. I have a purpose in the universe. It's time to discover it.
4.) I must make peace with death, and entertain the idea of not being able to fulfill my purpose in this lifetime. This stage of my existence may be an early one yet. I know I have eons of things to learn, and because of this there is a very real situation where my physical body is ended before I can complete my quest. Death is but a rebirth, being cast back into the universal stream of consciousness where I reside until I inhabit another body and continue my journey.
Realistically, this is a steep mountain to climb in just one session. I believe these short-term goals may have to be tackled over a series of future trips, but I do plan on completing at least one of the above goals per trip. I firmly believe spiritual and/or mystical experiences have a direct correlation with dosage. That being said, I plan to ingest three blotters this coming weekend, the most I've taken yet. It is currently T-40:00 until my voyage begins. I plan to spend this time reviewing and revising this list, as well as continuing my research on 25I-NBOMe, with one or two decent meditation sessions interspersed throughout the remaining timespan. I apologize for any typos, mistakes, or otherwise unseemly blemishes here, this was a spur-of-the-moment write-up that was written out in about ten minutes. I welcome comments, questions, concerns, and, yes, even criticisms, but please keep it constructive. Just a quick post to share my thoughts.
Happy tripping, everyone. Namaste.
Good plan other than one thing; taking 25i. IME, NBOMe's cause brain damage.
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: Webster10]
#19426576 - 01/16/14 07:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why do you say nbome's create brain damage?
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11nova
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: redgreenvines]
#19427156 - 01/16/14 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't take 25i, it's definitely not healthy for the mind or body. For me, it doesn't even give me a mindfuck. No spiritual realizations or anything. Just weird, annoying visuals with a terrible body feeling.
Everyones different though. Just be careful. I'd stick to shrooms if I were you, they are safe.
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lessismore
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: 11nova]
#19427227 - 01/16/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the soul is perfect the 25i said to me, maybe it is wrong ;-)
maybe it is all coincidence and my brain being overgeared into delusions
but I would still be careful about the 25i
it did make me throw out my cigs+weed too... couldnt stand the taste in the trip and after the trip it seemed about equally spiritual as LSD or mushrooms, just the trip got overwhelmed by bad vibes from the pain (bodyload)
pain in head, and everywhere on the body the whole trip, wouldnt do again I think
but I do have high BP and other medical conditions, be very careful if you have medical problems
when you realize it is not really the chemical being spiritual but your true nature, you will know that any psychedelic / any drug can be equally spiritual and that you can get there without drugs too, making drugs central to your spiritual lifestyle is very unhealthy, but they can aid spirituality sometimes / kickstart it
btw I have had 2 25i trips, one with terrible pain and one with kinda unplesant pain most of the trip, but spiritual realizations + realizing problems and solutions to those problems (just as well as on good LSD), visuals were as good as on LSD medium dose too, afterglow like on a good LSD/shroom trip - lots of motivation next days
the vasoconstriction seems to be bad on 25i, so combining it with 1-2 puffs of weed removes that part then it can also make you quit weed at the same time, smart :-P
if I were ever to try it again, I would need another vasodilator than weed to combine with likely
Edited by lessismore (01/16/14 10:35 AM)
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groovystoner
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: lessismore]
#19427315 - 01/16/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was sold 25i as L not to long ago, I figured out it was 25i though pretty much as soon as it numbed my tongue. It was a pretty cool experience, I got intense visuals, clouds and trees were morphing into fractals and twisting all over and everything had that beautiful tripping look. Music was grreatly enhanced. And I was comfortable for the most part The only thing I didn't like is the spiritual, deep thoughted trip that mushrooms or acid brings. It was like I was frying my face off but my thought process mostly stayed the same
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lessismore
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: groovystoner]
#19427327 - 01/16/14 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the 25i did improve my overview of thought next days I think, and also no thoughts the entire trip so a bit boring maybe even at around 1000ug, no thoughts, except that one thought I mentioned after x hours
but I agree, it doesnt give you 1000 thoughts like LSD/mushroom does usually it seems but it seems to free the mind just like LSD/mushrooms do, just as well
just isnt as safe
OEVs are pretty impressive, looked very much like medium/high dose of LSD at times, morphing/breathing carpet etc. oneness with nature (hug the trees) ;P
I like to trip for the self-reflection part, so there is no substitute for good LSD really I think mushrooms are pretty good too though.. almost as good 25i right after mushrooms, then maybe salvia up there too - can be pretty nice after the trip too (changes something, not sure what... maybe clarity...)
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: lessismore]
#19428132 - 01/16/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thnk the lsz is a totally good substitute (expensive though) for lsd if you cannot get lsd. and al-lad probably is an equally good LSD form as well.
I cant tell the difference between them and LSD at all.
25-i-nbome is not the same, but still useful for a psychedelic time out. I think it should not be demonized, and doses should be consumed with care and consideration of the unusually steep dosage curve (1000mics is a lot: I have only done 500mics of it - 1/2 blotter, and I really had a good experience, yet I was able to keep it together).
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: redgreenvines]
#19428249 - 01/16/14 01:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm too lazy to write up everything I have experienced after taking 25b-NBOMe 8 times. All I have to say on the subject is it would be a better idea to NOT take 25i
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: Webster10]
#19428312 - 01/16/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The trips i've had on 25i has told my body and mind that is not worth it and everyone I know feels the same way. It's strange though because I've heard conflicting reactions and trip reports with the damn thing that leads me to believe that it really depends on your source.
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Re: Third 25I trip coming up soon... [Re: Moon_Sugar]
#19428467 - 01/16/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: wrong forum.
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