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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Tropism]
#19419261 - 01/14/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And through all the turmoil part of me wonders if it were people like you who had say risen children in all the ways we think is neccessary and well enough that their children do the same, I wonder if its that kind of change in the gene(pool) that might in the long run be the only way to have human stability wherein we have this positive "bio-survival imprint." Wherein we might find peace as dasine.
Yes, I realize while I do prepare for an accidental child (as sex is great of course) the underlying desire for one is rooted deeply in mine and my species death anxieties, yet it is only the small addition of hope from being a completely narcissistic to a noble action. I mean really, it's not as if child-bearing is truly that positive of a hedonistic value. It is a sacrifice. One could hope if done well with some over all benefit to this world.
In the Indian Classical field there are families of musicians, lineages of great musicians stretching back hundreds of years. The 20th century has left most of those lineages without a heir, from hundreds of Ustads and Pandits to maybe a dozen who live up to their parents and grandparents. This measures up in tragedy right up with death for me.
Whatever we do and setup for the future, it won't last.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
#19419310 - 01/14/14 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Most of the ones who might raise a somewhat healthy child don't want to do it for all the right reasons.
Yeah I think you're missing my point, but I realize now my point was a what if, I guess. Having realized that I have much less motivation on the subject. We can all imagine that human potential, and I wonder if maybe breeding the intelligent like yourselves (assuming great parenting skill to boot) would lead to it, but I don't know if we can escape what we are. Curse this imagination with it's soothing utopias, and yet also, holy fuck thank you.
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Repertoire89 said: In the Indian Classical field there are families of musicians, lineages of great musicians stretching back hundreds of years. The 20th century has left most of those lineages without a heir, from hundreds of Ustads and Pandits to maybe a dozen who live up to their parents and grandparents. This measures up in tragedy right up with death for me.
Whatever we do and setup for the future, it won't last.

That leaves me to guess you must really cherish those music, yeah? I hear ya. Beautiful intricate pattens might be coming to an end soon. Oh, Discordia, it has a beauty of its own.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Tropism]
#19420258 - 01/14/14 11:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Most of the ones who might raise a somewhat healthy child don't want to do it for all the right reasons.
Yeah I think you're missing my point, but I realize now my point was a what if, I guess. Having realized that I have much less motivation on the subject. We can all imagine that human potential, and I wonder if maybe breeding the intelligent like yourselves (assuming great parenting skill to boot) would lead to it, but I don't know if we can escape what we are. Curse this imagination with it's soothing utopias, and yet also, holy fuck thank you.
I'm not intelligent and have nothing of importance to give the world. I'm a big fat zero.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
#19420292 - 01/14/14 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice try Icelander 
I recall you admitting something along the lines of being cognizant of all the viewers that come round these parts. We all know you are the beast within the cave of PS&P for the most part (you know this too I think)
At the most minute level of knowing the ego structure behind the name, you and I/all that visit here know your importance here.
How would we know about DA otherwise?
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: cez]
#19420322 - 01/14/14 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That contribution hardly makes me important imo. But hey I'll take the perk.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: cez]
#19420326 - 01/14/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: Nice try Icelander 
I recall you admitting something along the lines of being cognizant of all the viewers that come round these parts. We all know you are the beast within the cave of PS&P for the most part (you know this too I think)
At the most minute level of knowing the ego structure behind the name, you and I/all that visit here know your importance here.
How would we know about DA otherwise?
28 times later you too can be a beast.
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Can't wait!
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CosmicJoke said: the great rgv enigma, in my estimation, is that you use your own unconventional patterns of language. perhaps it's to convey your own unadulterated thought, originating from your own personal experience, rather than the hypnotic, meaningless semantic gymnastics that set trends. you avoid maps without a reference point in your life as it is, and this simple, yet abstract, style could be considered commendable.
clearly you don't get that sense of communion when you feel understood by others, and derive it elsewhere 
but sometimes one has to wonder if you speak so cryptically to be apprehended as wiser than you really are. it can be so vague as so that anyone could project their own meaning to what you've said and find it enlightening, much like a horoscope.
nobody will ever know.... i call this the gomp effect 
I don't blame you for lumping me with gomp - his pure hearted babble has been very refreshing to me. I try to be incisive in a way that applies common sense and direct experiencing. Life in the jungle you know.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
#19421739 - 01/15/14 08:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: I'm not intelligent and have nothing of importance to give the world. I'm a big fat zero.
Oh, come now.
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CosmicJoke said: the great rgv enigma, in my estimation, is that you use your own unconventional patterns of language. perhaps it's to convey your own unadulterated thought, originating from your own personal experience, rather than the hypnotic, meaningless semantic gymnastics that set trends. you avoid maps without a reference point in your life as it is, and this simple, yet abstract, style could be considered commendable.
clearly you don't get that sense of communion when you feel understood by others, and derive it elsewhere 
but sometimes one has to wonder if you speak so cryptically to be apprehended as wiser than you really are. it can be so vague as so that anyone could project their own meaning to what you've said and find it enlightening, much like a horoscope.
nobody will ever know.... i call this the gomp effect 
I don't blame you for lumping me with gomp - his pure hearted babble has been very refreshing to me. I try to be incisive in a way that applies common sense and direct experiencing. Life in the jungle you know.
Gomp
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Tropism]
#19421782 - 01/15/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: I'm not intelligent and have nothing of importance to give the world. I'm a big fat zero.
Oh, come now.
Or so the hope goes.
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CosmicJoke said: On drugs like MDMA I get this incredibly safe, loved nurtured feeling almost as if I'm being cradled by a loving parent. It's not regressive or anything, I feel like an exceptionally sane adult, but it shows me something of what a more positive "bio-survival imprint" would have been like, had my life been full of loving, nurturing people all day.
I wonder if it was an even more troubled childhood if the hardcore opiods might would actually work for me. I've tried most of them at reasonably heavy doses, and aside from some euphoria mixed with some nausea, they just don't do that much for me. I think life has been pretty much okay that regressing to some pre-ego state where I'm floating towards safety just doesn't hold that much appeal in my life. Meanwhile drugs that increase mental stimulus feed me immensely.
Interesting. I literally feel just mild euphoria, nothing worth writing home about, from MDMA. And I've had good, pure MDMA where my friends who've taken some from the same batch are falling over each other talking about how empathetic they are.
Now opiates, on the other hand. That nirvana-like bliss where nothing really matters anymore really just sticks it to me. Amphetamines provide good impetus to write essays, as well as clean my house, but the euphoria is short-lived and the crash and resulting pain isn't worth the initial high IMO.
For what it's worth, I had an excellent childhood and wasn't abused at all.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: deCypher]
#19425825 - 01/16/14 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said:
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CosmicJoke said: On drugs like MDMA I get this incredibly safe, loved nurtured feeling almost as if I'm being cradled by a loving parent. It's not regressive or anything, I feel like an exceptionally sane adult, but it shows me something of what a more positive "bio-survival imprint" would have been like, had my life been full of loving, nurturing people all day.
I wonder if it was an even more troubled childhood if the hardcore opiods might would actually work for me. I've tried most of them at reasonably heavy doses, and aside from some euphoria mixed with some nausea, they just don't do that much for me. I think life has been pretty much okay that regressing to some pre-ego state where I'm floating towards safety just doesn't hold that much appeal in my life. Meanwhile drugs that increase mental stimulus feed me immensely.
Interesting. I literally feel just mild euphoria, nothing worth writing home about, from MDMA. And I've had good, pure MDMA where my friends who've taken some from the same batch are falling over each other talking about how empathetic they are.
Now opiates, on the other hand. That nirvana-like bliss where nothing really matters anymore really just sticks it to me. Amphetamines provide good impetus to write essays, as well as clean my house, but the euphoria is short-lived and the crash and resulting pain isn't worth the initial high IMO.
For what it's worth, I had an excellent childhood and wasn't abused at all.
Cannabis is incredible for me to write essays, can write all night as if it was a hobby and lose myself in it... But as far as amphetamines go, milder amphetamines like adderall were good for a long study session, while harder amphetamines like methamphetamine made me sex totally primal... MDMA is not much like other amphetamines for me, is very innocent and childlike - I might be in a bed naked cuddling, but no thought of sex on my mind...
Opiates regardless of dose....
Your alternative anecdotal evidence is only fair, I respect it
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Tha fuck is a gomp?
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: cez] 1
#19425907 - 01/16/14 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: Tha fuck is a gomp?
The gomp is a historical period of darkness within The Shroomery between P&S and PS&P... (not really)
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
#19426664 - 01/16/14 08:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: I'm not intelligent and have nothing of importance to give the world. I'm a big fat zero.
Oh, come now.
Or so the hope goes.
nice
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: cez]
#19436636 - 01/18/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: Tha fuck is a gomp?
That would be a me! :p
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