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FrankHorrigan
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Stonesun is a moderator. Let him deal with this
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cronicr



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blow the whistle, i'm sure a mod will be by shortly
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Pastywhyte
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: stonesun] 1
#19416737 - 01/14/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally I don't buy that the type of substrate has more than a marginal effect on potency. I've grown cubes on coir that feel like cyans, conversely I have also grown ones that pack as much punch as a portabello. Ditto for brf, straw and hpoo. The gentics are the variable factor IMO.
As for choice of sub, so far I gotta side with Frank as far as cubes are concerned. Bulk allows me to do my work on the weekend which fits my lifestyle better. I have no doubt that there are some people who would have a better run with v tek due to their own lifestyle. At that point, yield is almost insignificant
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cronicr



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Pastywhyte said: Personally I don't buy that the type of substrate has more than a marginal effect on potency. I've grown cubes on coir that feel like cyans, conversely I have also grown ones that pack as much punch as a portabello. Ditto for brf, straw and hpoo. The gentics are the variable factor IMO.
As for choice of sub, so far I gotta side with Frank as far as cubes are concerned. Bulk allows me to do my work on the weekend which fits my lifestyle better. I have no doubt that there are some people who would have a better run with v tek due to their own lifestyle. At that point, yield is almost insignificant 
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Violet



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19417081 - 01/14/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's so much limited perception about all this... So many factors being left out of consideration...
I'm doing a log indeed, showing just 9 containers. It's only to show what containers can do. But showing what a container can do is not really showing what the tek can do! If I were really showing all that the tek can do, I'd be cycling old containers out and new containers in to the chamber, keeping a perpetual "tub garden" going, yet with the same consistent simple maintenance. Such abilities are where the seemingly insignificant differences become very significant.
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stonesun
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Sgt. Pepper said: Please guys, pasty's only request was to stop arguing. Let's just give it a rest, Anne is never gonna change her mind and she's not hurting any of our grows so just forget about it.
Would you please point out where was I arguing or pressed anne to change her mind? I've asked questions to make sure that we're on the same page as far as her claims. Also - please let me decide when I want to give my questions a rest and/or forget about anything. Thank you!
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Sgt. Pepper



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: stonesun]
#19417313 - 01/14/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Please guys, pasty's only request was to stop arguing. Let's just give it a rest, Anne is never gonna change her mind and she's not hurting any of our grows so just forget about it.
Would you please point out where was I arguing or pressed anne to change her mind? I've asked questions to make sure that we're on the same page as far as her claims. Also - please let me decide when I want to give my questions a rest and/or forget about anything. Thank you!
Sorry man, didn't mean to offend. Just trying to keep the peace around here. You're the moderator, do whatever you want.
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stonesun
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Not offended at all, just was kinda surprised that you picked my post to reply to regarding keeping the peace and stop arguing.
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Sgt. Pepper



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: stonesun]
#19417408 - 01/14/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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stonesun said: Not offended at all, just was kinda surprised that you picked my post to reply to regarding keeping the peace and stop arguing.
I'm sorry, I accidentally clicked reply! I didn't mean to do that, I was just saying in general we need to stop arguing. I didn't mean to single you out like that, I apologize. Damn reply button, this is not the first time this has happened.
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magickspore



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19417451 - 01/14/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh better than TV...
Good afternoon everybody! Can't wait to see what experiments and experiences today brings.
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MudaFuka
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Sgt. Pepper said: Please guys, pasty's only request was to stop arguing. Let's just give it a rest, Anne is never gonna change her mind and she's not hurting any of our grows so just forget about it.
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PrimalSoup
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Personally I don't buy that the type of substrate has more than a marginal effect on potency.
Yeah, I'm with Pasty on this. If it weren't so common practice would gradually shift because everybody is not a moron and most people pay attention to results over time, going with what works better. It should be easy to demonstrate in any case. 
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Psilicon
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Personally I don't buy that the type of substrate has more than a marginal effect on potency.
Yeah, I'm with Pasty on this. If it weren't so common practice would gradually shift because everybody is not a moron and most people pay attention to results over time, going with what works better. It should be easy to demonstrate in any case. 
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I, for one, would like to reiterate that I'm hoping for evidence of any good reason to do V-tek. I no longer expect one, and that makes me a little sad, because there are a few elements about it which I really like and I always tend to root for the underdog. But as Violet's pointed out, the experiment is ongoing and redemption is still possible.
Anne's claims of increased potency are laughably subjective and vulnerable to a confirmation bias, on the other hand.
Keep up the good work, Pasty. Thanks again for this thread--it's been interesting, to say the least.
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Sillyputty67

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
#19422048 - 01/15/14 09:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let me throw this out there. In all fairness, V-tek is more productive than pf-tek, more forgiving than mono tubs. Its more newbie friendly. Monotubs also take a while to dial in. If you cant nail proper pasteurization (like me), monotubs cause a great deal of grief. Pro's and Con's folks.
Also one becomes nostalgic of their tek, because its the tek they use. They wouldnt use it if it didnt work. With this kind of love for your work there are bound to be exaggerations on both sides of the fence. Everything is right in this thread except the amount of personal bias is off by quite a degree.
Get it together peeps.
For real. Its a cool tek. Its an intermediary tek between pf and monotubs. Thats a good achievement. That is nothing to sneeze at, or be ashamed of. Its a proper contribution to the community.
But this mine is the best crap has got to stop.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (01/15/14 09:56 AM)
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cronicr



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malicom said: Let me throw this out there. In all fairness, V-tek is more productive than pf-tek,
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malicom said: , more forgiving than mono tubs.

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malicom said: Monotubs also take a while to dial in.
so do gh's or anything other then a sgfc
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malicom said: If you cant nail proper pasteurization (like me), monotubs cause a great deal of grief.
 i'm just nipple twisting, you can always sterilize in bags or give sterilizing coir a shot
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Also one becomes nostalgic of their tek, because its the tek they use. They wouldnt use it if it didnt work. With this kind of love for your work there are bound to be exaggerations on both sides of the fence. Everything is right in this thread except the amount of personal bias is off by quite a degree.
Get it together peeps.
For real. Its a cool tek. Its an intermediary tek between pf and monotubs. Thats a good achievement. That is nothing to sneeze at, or be ashamed of. Its a proper contribution to the community.
But this mine is the best crap has got to stop.
it's just anne, everyone else is chill and fine with whatever method people choose for themself , i've had cakes in sgfc, two gh's and mono's running at the same time, no need to limit yourself give them all a shot
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MarcusFreeman



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19422553 - 01/15/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ugh.
Keep on keeping on, pasty!
Despite many having predetermined dispositions about a certain experiment, I don't see why all the fuss.
If the claim is that people won't eat boomers that come from tubs after trying the ones from fertilized grains- simple- don't give em those! If you keep the expectations low, then that seems like a self solving issue. I give the credit to this concept to the bureaucrats. They have been masking ignorance as bliss for many years.
If YOU are unsatisfied with your tub mushies, try the fertilized grains and see if it is a noticeable difference. The cost of the experiment will be minimal, and if it goes South, Who cares.... minimal investment for a minimal loss. You can even reuse the plastic for the actual purpose that it was made- food. The ferts were a whopping $5, so initial investment is low. Hell, I see folks going way out of the way to build elaborate/expensive fruiting chambers that don't work. Lol
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Pastywhyte
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Time for a quick bump:
PP5 containers are moving into their second flush. Got a few nice shots.
This is looking a little better.

All the aborts in are getting overtaken by the myc in the first one. Couple last flush straggelers in the other one.


Finally, the second flush is coming in for the bulk tub. Quick shot of one of the clusters.
Edited by Pastywhyte (01/15/14 05:58 PM)
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cronicr



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twistedty
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
#19424092 - 01/15/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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tripdawg420
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: twistedty]
#19424156 - 01/15/14 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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