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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: VE3HPC] * 1
    #19411242 - 01/13/14 04:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Could be this is a side effect of using a lot of inoculant. I'm getting myc similar to this on a couple jars right now, seems to happen only where the edges of separate colonies of myc meet. I inoculated three weeks ago with 2 cc spore solution per jar (twice the recommended amount), plus the syringes were pretty dark as well as being fresh- I had a crazy amount of germination over maybe half the surface of the jars. No contams that I'm aware of though. I'm planning on waiting as long as it takes for full colonization.


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: DetectiveLefty]
    #19411284 - 01/13/14 05:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very true, using a lot of inoculant could have had the mycelium growing against each other to quickly and caused them to move in the easiest direction i.e. up towards oxygen and not across the substrate. I just checked the jars again this morning, I believe the mycelium is starting to cover the open parts slowly but surely. I will post update pics later once I get back from work! Have a good day everyone!


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: VE3HPC]
    #19411468 - 01/13/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

almost there.looks good to me. if  all colonized except there. I would flip the jar and smack it on my palm, till it moves. getting alittle pocket of air. to get some ge going there. then just leave em to consolidate.gl...:sporedrop:


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: VE3HPC]
    #19412302 - 01/13/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I will surely release the tweak, but I am still somewhat testing. I have another batch of uninoculated sterile substrate that I will inoculate probably tonight but this time, no matter how long the bottoms take I will probably just let them take their time. I dont know if this "wall" of growth is caused by the response of flipping the jars. I have never seen this when flipping jars before. The next batch I wont flip them. Either way, my notes show that this revision to the classic pf tek should take complete beginners only 25 to 30 days to having fruits in their hands. In my experience, the time from my first few pf teks took closer to 2 months for 2 flushes of each cake.

I want my dots in a row before i tell anyone what im doing, because if it blows up in my face, its only one person (me) and not a bunch. Its not out of disrespect, I just want it right before people start following it for any length of time!

So, continue to use the version of the PF tek thats listed on the shroomery for your personal use, after all these are just jars of growing mycelium so the same rules for diagnostics should apply. BTW I have not altered the 2:1:1 verm:BRF:water ratios, so to anyone observing, it should be the same PF tek. just FYI!




Let me say I have many grows under my belt and even with my first grow it has never taken more then about a month and a half from inouclation to throwing out my spent cakes. I stick to the PF tek and from syringe to LC about 8 days (Dec 22- 31(with my most recent batch)). LC to jars fully colonized about 14 days (Jan 1-14(I wait about 5 days to let then consolidate, they are basically at 95% today)) From my past experience it will take me about 10-14 days till I am harvesting my first flush. About the same for my second and third.

There for IMO and from my experience from start to fruit in your hand only takes 30 days fallowing the PF tek. The only way it takes longer is if you use very little LC when you inoculate your jars. LC is easy to make so I just use 1-3/4 a cc per hole and it speed up colonization. I say add about 5-10 days if your only using 1/4cc per hole. but that is still only 35-40 days so I have no idea how it takes you 2 months to do the PF tek. Unless you are running into problems during the process.

I would like to know what you are doing differently but I feel that your speed is the same as the normal tek(or close enough). I am not trying to discourage you but 2 months is a slow PF tek IMO. I hope everything works out for you and look forward to seeing what you did differently when you post it.


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: Danner16]
    #19412500 - 01/13/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, 1 and 3/4 per hole? That explains your speed hahahaha that's awesome the coming 3 jars that I have I will try the same and see how much faster it happens. I agree that LC is really easy to make, saves me from buying spore syringes from when I first started. I can probably make 1 syringe last me about 2 years if my pace keeps like it is (which I don't use much, only for very sporadic personal experiences!)

I appreciate the info on how long it takes you for your pf tek, if I notice any significant gains from my tweaks I will definitely share! This site is awesome for sharing resources and I hope I can contribute back in the same way others have helped me!


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: DetectiveLefty]
    #19412958 - 01/13/14 03:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Never mind- spotted contams in these jars today. Not sure what it is, but there's some purple discoloration in each of them.



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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: DetectiveLefty]
    #19413977 - 01/13/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey everyone, 24 hrs later and the one that looked like a vagina is closed up. By looking into the slit (haha very funny I know) you can see lots of mycelium growing inside it so I felt comfortable birthing it. It's in a pot of water for 12 hrs and will be in fruiting chamber tomorrow. Will post more pics as the others near a closing point as well. I will also post pics of these things fruiting later on! I'm glad I waited! Thanks for the advise everyone!



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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: VE3HPC]
    #19414045 - 01/13/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, 1 and 3/4 per hole?



No I said 1-3/4(should have typed it 3/4-1cc I guess) of a cc not 1 and 3/4cc. Anything over 1cc is excess(and even 1 is over kill) IMO unless your making larger jars.


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: Danner16]
    #19414206 - 01/13/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anything over a few drops of spore solution per hole is excessive IMHO.












But that's just me :begger:


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19415755 - 01/14/14 04:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Anything over a few drops of spore solution per hole is excessive IMHO.












But that's just me :begger:



I agree that why I make a liquid culture. That way your spore solution last as long as you need it to.


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: Danner16]
    #19415758 - 01/14/14 04:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that's why I g2g.. and to escape the possibility of a contamed LC..


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: spacechildo]
    #19415834 - 01/14/14 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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that's why I g2g.. and to escape the possibility of a contamed LC..



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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19415839 - 01/14/14 04:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pussyfart?!? Where's your guns pussy? :lol:


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: spacechildo]
    #19415875 - 01/14/14 05:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lc is dumb


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: spacechildo]
    #19418190 - 01/14/14 04:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why is LC dumb?


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: VE3HPC]
    #19418243 - 01/14/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's just useless for aggressive hardy species like cubes


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: cronicr]
    #19422397 - 01/15/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LC isn't useless at all. I sometimes use it myself if I need a fuckload of culture pretty quickly.

LC just sucks cause you can't see contams, so you have to do a test jar.


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19422407 - 01/15/14 11:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:laugh2: yeah i guess useless is a heavy word, i love my lc's just not for cubes i find agar faster and more reliable


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: cronicr]
    #19423972 - 01/15/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cool, yea the waiting with LC does suck... Waiting to see if you have contams is a pain, but so far I haven't had a single contam!


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Re: PF TEK style jars bottom colonization issue - good or wait? [Re: cronicr]
    #19424010 - 01/15/14 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i find agar faster and more reliable




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