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Offlinekuntryman
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ask me about Ieshua.
    #19421512 - 01/15/14 06:41 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Also known as Jesus. I will share Christ's message with anyone who has an ear to hear it.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19421614 - 01/15/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

What is there to tell? It isn't so complicated.

Love the creator with all your heart, mind and soul. Love humanity as you would love yourself.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19422232 - 01/15/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Is the representation of jesus in the biblical gospels historically accurate, or is it an embellishment incorporating other stories into a new mythic character?


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19422418 - 01/15/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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kuntryman said:
Also known as Jesus. I will share Christ's message with anyone who has an ear to hear it.




Do you agree with this artwork...??


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19422438 - 01/15/14 11:46 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Seems like you joined the Hebrew transliteration of Y'shua with the Greek transliteration of Iesous.
At this point of my life I am in agreement with D.M. Murdock in her book Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. The majority of stories in the NT were lifted almost verbatim from much earlier stories from the Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid Texts. Murdock documents exhaustively, and the book is most certainly worth reading if one has any interest in the construction of the NT wiritings. I also entertain the basic non-historicity of the man in Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy's books of gnostic religion, and the conclusion of theologian-phyician Albert Schweitzer in his 19th century book The Quest for the Historical Jesus, namely that Iesous is a collage of several wisdom teachers. None of these similar conclusions ill-effects my faith and knowledge that the mythos of Iesous is still the paradigm for fully human development.

All religious myths manifest the transcendental factor of human life. The odd thing about people is that (1) each believer thinks that only HIS religious stories are true, and by true, I mean historical, and (2) everyone else's religious stories are 'only' myths. For most people, history = Reality, when at the mystical core of each religion, history is less real than spiritual Reality at best, or a mere dream or illusion which deceives us. At the far extreme is Gnostic thought in which the Creator is like the Blakeian 'Architect' of The Matrix trilogy, and wantonly deceives and enslaves humanity by the illusory nature of creation, alienating us humans from our rightful identity as spiritual beings.

So, no, I do not wish to discuss Iesous any further. Reality is Mystery, and the beliefs of humankind are a dime-a-dozen from which anyone can pick and choose. This does not mean that I do not recognize the Sacred amidst the Profane. I do recognize the Sacred, but it is not open to discussion or debate. 'Beliefs,' on the other hand, are not equal to Reality, and should be eliminated, because no matter how sophisticated they seem, ultimately, all they are is intellectual pablum to keep the ordinary mind tranquilized by dogmatic assent to a simple 'statement' masquerading as Truth. Keep your faith, but throw out your beliefs. As the Third Patriarch of Zen says in The Heart Sutra: "The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences...Do not search for the truth; only cease to hold opinions..."


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19422442 - 01/15/14 11:48 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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kuntryman said:
Also known as Jesus. I will share Christ's message with anyone who has an ear to hear it.




What is this message then?


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman] * 1
    #19422452 - 01/15/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

What would happen if we got ahold Jesus's DNA and cloned him? How would his teachings differ today?  What would his follower's books and Christianity 2.0 be like?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19422482 - 01/15/14 11:58 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: Kickle]
    #19422539 - 01/15/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Let's code the game Sim Jesus.  I want to put him the ghetto, gang banging and slinging rocks, and see what happens when he has his awakening into a 'Fully Realized Being'... Does he end up on death row?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #19422613 - 01/15/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

He becomes legendary rapper J-Zeus. He dies like Tupac and rumors abound that his death was faked. 3 days later the rumors are fueled by a photo of J-Zeus on a nude beach wearing only his signature sandals.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: Kickle]
    #19422646 - 01/15/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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He becomes legendary rapper J-Zeus. He dies like Tupac and rumors abound that his death was faked. 3 days later the rumors are fueled by a photo of J-Zeus on a nude beach wearing only his signature sandals.




Young hoods hear his message and focus on music instead, internally ending all drug related violence.  Police lose their largest source of funding and become largely obsolete, anarchy ensues. :rockon:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19422717 - 01/15/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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FrozenHappiness said:
What is there to tell? It isn't so complicated.

Love the creator with all your heart, mind and soul. Love humanity as you would love yourself.




And hate fags and towelheads.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19422773 - 01/15/14 01:06 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

his upbringing and circumstance lead him into a life of vanity... instead of the things that may have shaped him into an "admirable" selfless person.. he is shaped by addiction, narcissism and his mental formations haunt and control him. There is only a glimmer of his nonconceptual being to be found. He finds himself in a situation cycling through conditioned reactions and mental images that resonate through interaction, throughout the land... his presence is felt. Eventually these things wane on his constructed self decoding his ability by fire, "Have I been fueling all this internal friction?" "This isn't skillful, nothing is outside of my perception. "Hmm now that I am not so focused on myself.. I see I'm not the only one." That change within himself also resonates and slowly spreads... A new all considering self-compassionate effort establishes and resonates.. Slowly spreading across the land. Leading to more ups and downs of self discovery... perhaps to be forgotten and obscured over and over again.

or maybe that was his path... or similar in essence.

or not :tongue:



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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19422788 - 01/15/14 01:11 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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FrozenHappiness said:
What is there to tell? It isn't so complicated.

Love the creator with all your heart, mind and soul. Love humanity as you would love yourself.




And hate fags and towelheads.




That isn't fair.

That is a belief that has been created and perpetuated by factions of the christian ESTABLISHMENT

Whether or not you believe that 'jesus' actually existed there is nowhere in his so called message that tells us to hate fags, towelheads, or anyone else for that matter.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19422950 - 01/15/14 01:44 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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kuntryman said:
Also known as Jesus. I will share Christ's message with anyone who has an ear to hear it.




Aren't you the guy who's been trolling in other forums?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19423191 - 01/15/14 02:39 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

that will be my question... I don't really know the story of the bible, about how jesus came to be. I know they say he was born to virgin mary but that's all I know. How was jesus's childhood, teenage years, and early adulthood?

from the impression I've gotten with some contact with church's and reading the bible a little seems that he was always "perfection" for lack of a better word, but that's pure ignorance coming from me, a projection formed. Is that true in any sense?


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Edited by Sse (01/15/14 02:43 PM)


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: Sse]
    #19423263 - 01/15/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Yes, it's true inasmuch as that "perfection" is archetypal and mythological - the untainted (by sin) prototype of essential humanity. Iesous is like the Treasury Department's template for stamping out $100 bills, minus the individual serial numbers which must be applied with a separate template. Our essential humanity, the archetypal essential human being exists in us potentially, but it is overlain with the idiosycrasies of our genetics, culture, society, and parental influences. It is a latency in each of us which is ideally supposed to rise to the surface of consciousness and transform each of us into a Christ. The myth of Christ is not supposed to be put on an altar and worshipped from afar, it is supposed to be realized - i.e., made Real in one's own person - according to the more profound teachings of Christianity (which are generally not understood by the multitudes but only by the "few, for "many are called, but few are chosen" -  Matthew 22:14).


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: Sse]
    #19423353 - 01/15/14 03:12 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

I think it varies by gospel, motives of the author, etc.... No virgin birth is mentioned in Mark or John, but rather in Matthew and Luke.  I think Matthew had an additional element of specialness and magical lineage, with a genealogy of Joseph, which lead back to Abraham, so even his family had some sort of sacred specialness...

I think maybe Jesus disappears off the grid for a good time, a lot of unknown years between maybe his bar mitzvah and his baptism, where he resurfaces and starts his preachin' teachin'.... Luke  portrayed him generically as advancing in wisdom and stature during that time...  The baptism itself seems to have represented his mystical experience and total awakening, depending on account of gospel... :shrug:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19423522 - 01/15/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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Yes, it's true inasmuch as that "perfection" is archetypal and mythological - the untainted (by sin) prototype of essential humanity. Iesous is like the Treasury Department's template for stamping out $100 bills, minus the individual serial numbers which must be applied with a separate template. Our essential humanity, the archetypal essential human being exists in us potentially, but it is overlain with the idiosycrasies of our genetics, culture, society, and parental influences. It is a latency in each of us which is ideally supposed to rise to the surface of consciousness and transform each of us into a Christ. The myth of Christ is not supposed to be put on an altar and worshipped from afar, it is supposed to be realized - i.e., made Real in one's own person - according to the more profound teachings of Christianity (which are generally not understood by the multitudes but only by the "few, for "many are called, but few are chosen" -  Matthew 22:14).




Much like a TED talk, that's quite interesting.... if it was true :lol:.  But I'm not really sure it's fair to attempt to distill a pure, unadulterated archetypal paradigm of the enlightened human from the midrash, as much of that portrayed Jesus as not really having much in common with any of us at all, but as a semi-devine/mortal offspring from a long lineage of heroes.  We can go into the values of the society at the time and explain why that's the case, and sure, that's fascinating. But unless we start teaching this history and interpreting these myths and midrash as system of psychology in public school K-12, this stuff just does more harm than good imho.  It's not that few were chosen, it's that many were spoon-fed lies.  I recall that book you've mentioned 'Why Christianity Must Change or Die' -at this point, my vote goes to the latter. 


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


Edited by CosmicJoke (01/15/14 04:46 PM)


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Re: ask me about Ieshua. [Re: kuntryman]
    #19424613 - 01/15/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Is Jesus, as God incarnate, representative of how humans should strive to be?


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