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America's shameful schools.
    #1941923 - 09/22/03 08:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1941950 - 09/22/03 08:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with the gist of the article(which is a first for an article on that website). The education system is fucked up, and money alone isn't going to solve the problem. The education system needs some serious reform.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1941951 - 09/22/03 08:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

public highschool was a joke, and i went to a relatively good one. oh well... they taught me how to read, write, and do algebra. i can take it from there.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: ]
    #1942580 - 09/22/03 11:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

HS taught me to read, write, and despise authority. That's all I need.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Adden]
    #1942648 - 09/22/03 11:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think the point being made is that maybe children would be able to read and write before they reach high school -- if they were taught correctly.

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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1942657 - 09/22/03 11:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i learned nothing of importance from any one of my high school classes. it was a complete joke and waste of time. i'd classify it more as daycare than education.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: ]
    #1942674 - 09/22/03 11:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yup me too. I learned more in my first month of college than I did in four years of high school.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: ]
    #1942695 - 09/22/03 11:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm.

I learned differential calculus, chemistry, physics, geology, and read some great literature I would likely not have ever bothered to read without prodding -- I remember fondly the discussions following the reading of "Fahrenheit 451", "Huckleberry Finn", "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", "1984", "A Clockwork Orange" and others.

I really enjoyed the Comparative Religions course I took in senior year, and the Pre-History course (by the same teacher) was excellent. The Introduction to Philosophy and Logic course was great. A couple of geography courses stand out as well. Reading large swaths of Homer and Thucydides wasn't particularly fun, but I definitely learned from it.

Sorry to hear your high school experience was so lame.

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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1942701 - 09/23/03 12:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I went to a Catholic school. It was pretty cool, except for the religious indoctrination part.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1942709 - 09/23/03 12:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

"Fahrenheit 451", "Huckleberry Finn", "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", "1984", "A Clockwork Orange"

good luck finding a public school these days that hasn't banned these from the curriculum.

Comparative Religions

or that.

The Introduction to Philosophy and Logic course was great.

that's not offered in any public high school i'm aware of.

yep.  :thumbdown:


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: ]
    #1942739 - 09/23/03 12:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Surely there are must still be public high schools where Mark Twain is read? And the principles of logic are taught? And at least some general overview course of the great religions and philosophers (doesn't have to be in great depth) is available?

I went to school from the late Fifties to early Seventies (in Canada, though), so I figured things have changed. Just not that much. Maybe in states other than the one where you went to high school, things are different.

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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1942769 - 09/23/03 12:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i sure hope so...


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1942998 - 09/23/03 01:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

High school is a joke. I was stoned for 4 years (for the most part) and I passed with A's and B's. I never once studied for a test or spent more than 15 minutes on my homework.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: ]
    #1943091 - 09/23/03 01:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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"Fahrenheit 451", "Huckleberry Finn", "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", "1984", "A Clockwork Orange"





Besides Huckleberry Finn,I believe all those books were outright banned or seriously frowned upon at my school.We read Fahrenheit 451 but I think my teacher got bitched at and warned to not teach any more Bradbury.

In 11th grade English we read The Crucible and the teacher didn't even go over anything about McCarthyism. That was basically the last straw and I dropped out.

My high school experience was horrible. Like others have stated,it was more like babysitting than a school. Most assignments consisted of bullshit "busy work" that taught me little. I learned more by hanging out at the library and reading books in a month or two than I did the whole time I spent in highschool.

People call me an idiot for dropping out,but in retrospect I still think it was the right thing to do.I had job at a dot-com working on computers and I lived with my sister and her boyfriend,who acted like mentors to me.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1943692 - 09/23/03 10:20 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Principles of logic taught in a public highschool? :lol:

you're pullin my leg, man. 


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: ]
    #1943749 - 09/23/03 10:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, as I said, this was in Canada over thirty years ago. For all I know they don't teach it in Canadian public high schools anymore either. I took it in ninth grade (is that what they call freshman year in the US?) in the province of New Brunswick, and again in eleventh grade (junior year?) in the province of Ontario. I had also had a very quick introduction (not more than several hour's worth) to the laws of logic in eighth grade in the province of Manitoba, but that was in science class. Or maybe math class, I can't recall exactly now -- I just remember being pretty bored at having to go through it all again a year later in New Brunswick.

I should also point out that the high school stuff didn't take up an entire period every day for a year, either -- there wasn't a separate course named "Logic", it was part of the "introduction to logic and philosophy and the great philosophers" overview course in eleventh grade.

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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1943762 - 09/23/03 11:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I did not have any philosophy or religious classes, but I did learn a lot of higher math, chemistry and biology. I don't know what the problem is, but it seems to get worse every year.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1943903 - 09/23/03 12:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A possible explanation for teachers' resistance to testing children: their resistance to being tested themselves --

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34727

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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1944468 - 09/23/03 03:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My hight school had several A.P. (Advanced Placement) classes that were good for college credit. I took A.P. Physics, and passed for high school credit, but I didn't take the A.P. test for the college credit.

The teacher said I should have. She thought I would have passed. The final exam was graded on a straight curve. I got the 100, and the next highest grade in the class was a 51.

Half of the "Top Ten" of my graduating class were in that class.


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Re: America's shameful schools. [Re: Phred]
    #1944999 - 09/23/03 05:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)


I learned differential calculus, chemistry, physics, geology, and read some great literature I would likely not have ever bothered to read without prodding --


Wow...our high school experiences were completely different. I
literally slept in every class. I never did my homework, never raised
me hand, and I never took a book home.

I still vividly remember getting stuck in French I and getting lost
after the first week because I hated it. At the end of the year
we were expected to be reading, speaking, and writing French. I
barely knew how to say "oui" and count to five.

How the hell did I graduate? I have no clue. I think the teachers
realized I didn't give a shit, but that I wasn't an idiot, so they
just let me slide.


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