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but to then say that all anxiety is fear of death or DA is a mis-aligned syllogism:
Please show me where I said this?
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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so you now might say that DA is not the root of all anxiety?
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I'm admitted to that possibility for a long time here. Where have you been?
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Assuming you believe DA exists.
I think your personal levels or experiences of DA are mostly set by your early childhood experiences, as in did you feel secure in your family, were you nurtured well and anxieties placated.
In other words if you were abused or neglected your DA will be higher due to the fact that the world will seem much more threatening.
What say you?
For sure, was raised by a single, introverted working-professional mother. My dad lived a good 1,000 miles away in Florida, and no other extended family within a couple hundred miles. Aside from my mum and brother, there just weren't a ton of people around. Plenty of my memories between the ages of 3-5yo being shipped off to daycare etc., which definitely resulted in some abandonment insecurities. My mother was an incredibly responsible lady, but if she didn't show up right on time at 5pm to pick me up I'd start getting pretty anxious, entirely uncertain of my future if something happened and she didn't show up. Otherwise, life was pretty happy throughout my childhood with her and my bro.
On drugs like MDMA I get this incredibly safe, loved nurtured feeling almost as if I'm being cradled by a loving parent. It's not regressive or anything, I feel like an exceptionally sane adult, but it shows me something of what a more positive "bio-survival imprint" would have been like, had my life been full of loving, nurturing people all day.
I wonder if it was an even more troubled childhood if the hardcore opiods might would actually work for me. I've tried most of them at reasonably heavy doses, and aside from some euphoria mixed with some nausea, they just don't do that much for me. I think life has been pretty much okay that regressing to some pre-ego state where I'm floating towards safety just doesn't hold that much appeal in my life. Meanwhile drugs that increase mental stimulus feed me immensely.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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OK maybe I have missed one or two posts over the last 10 years, (maybe because it seemed to just be a video).
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Icelander said: I'm admitted to that possibility for a long time here. Where have you been?
So when you admit that do you make the two conflicting statements at the same time (same thread, same post) or in alternation (different posts)?
yeah, I never noticed you on both sides of this issue at all, just Becker this and Becker that.
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Forget your umbrella today, red?
Death anxiety is a useful, interesting model to analyze one's life. It illuminates some things, reduces and oversimplifies others, and also has the potential to become banal and ridiculous, much like every other model.
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like a convenient Bogey Man for atheist and agnostic adults?
(Christians can just use the Devil and the Bible and other Semites can reference God)
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redgreenvines said: like a convenient Bogey Man for atheist and agnostic adults?
(Christians can just use the Devil and the Bible and other Semites can reference God)
Only to the extent that you use it to justify and explain away your neurosis and avoid dealing with it. For those into self-experimentation, it's another model in which to analyze the data. Christians have their own psychological system of archetypes and myths, but very few have a clue what to do with it in my estimation, for the rest it runs their life.
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On drugs like MDMA I get this incredibly safe, loved nurtured feeling almost as if I'm being cradled by a loving parent. It's not regressive or anything, I feel like an exceptionally sane adult, but it shows me something of what a more positive "bio-survival imprint" would have been like, had my life been full of loving, nurturing people all day.
But even more, a world without violence.
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redgreenvines said: OK maybe I have missed one or two posts over the last 10 years, (maybe because it seemed to just be a video).
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Icelander said: I'm admitted to that possibility for a long time here. Where have you been?
So when you admit that do you make the two conflicting statements at the same time (same thread, same post) or in alternation (different posts)?
yeah, I never noticed you on both sides of this issue at all, just Becker this and Becker that.
What two conflicting statements???
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it takes us to the realm of someone seeing the linkage (false or true, backwards logic or not) that DA exists and is therefore (erroneously) THE fundamental question.
Now this someone (like any religious nut) will declare rectitude and attempt to gather a following (which proves how right they really are - after all if 1000 people believe them then they are certainly right)
It's just how I see it when I take away the emotional attachment to the theory.
Well that can make sense, I'm not really attached to the idea of DA personally. It seems to me a fundamental in life, something which motivates the overall plot frame but not necessarily the details. Was drunk and tripping on acid earlier in this thread, so not sure if I came out more earnest about the theory than I actually am
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If you think it's fundamental then that makes it a relatively important theory imo.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: If you think it's fundamental then that makes it a relatively important theory imo.
It seems pretty important and real to me, but I think a lot of behavior slips through the gap. Larger anxieties I think eventually tie into DA, smaller ones maybe - maybe not
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Pretty significant then. There is likely a few small issues in life not affected. I just can't think of any right off the top. Maybe RGVs can supply them.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: On drugs like MDMA I get this incredibly safe, loved nurtured feeling almost as if I'm being cradled by a loving parent. It's not regressive or anything, I feel like an exceptionally sane adult, but it shows me something of what a more positive "bio-survival imprint" would have been like, had my life been full of loving, nurturing people all day.
But even more, a world without violence.
I Don't Care What They Say I Won't Stay In A World Without love. Unless you fucking cut off my god fucking damn MDMA Fix.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Pretty significant then. There is likely a few small issues in life not affected. I just can't think of any right off the top. Maybe RGVs can supply them.
I feel so abused (but there is a great moon out.)
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the great rgv enigma, in my estimation, is that you use your own unconventional patterns of language. perhaps it's to convey your own unadulterated thought, originating from your own personal experience, rather than the hypnotic, meaningless semantic gymnastics that set trends. you avoid maps without a reference point in your life as it is, and this simple, yet abstract, style could be considered commendable.
clearly you don't get that sense of communion when you feel understood by others, and derive it elsewhere 
but sometimes one has to wonder if you speak so cryptically to be apprehended as wiser than you really are. it can be so vague as so that anyone could project their own meaning to what you've said and find it enlightening, much like a horoscope.
nobody will ever know.... i call this the gomp effect
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And Jupiter on the upper left. I can see three of her moons. Moon is too full for good scope viewing. All the craters get washed out by the light. Best viewing is a half moon or less. You can get some cool view then. But to the naked eye a full moon is beautiful
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: On drugs like MDMA I get this incredibly safe, loved nurtured feeling almost as if I'm being cradled by a loving parent. It's not regressive or anything, I feel like an exceptionally sane adult, but it shows me something of what a more positive "bio-survival imprint" would have been like, had my life been full of loving, nurturing people all day.
But even more, a world without violence.
And through all the turmoil part of me wonders if it were people like you who had say risen children in all the ways we think is neccessary and well enough that their children do the same, I wonder if its that kind of change in the gene(pool) that might in the long run be the only way to have human stability wherein we have this positive "bio-survival imprint." Wherein we might find peace as dasine.
Yes, I realize while I do prepare for an accidental child (as sex is great of course) the underlying desire for one is rooted deeply in mine and my species death anxieties, yet it is only the small addition of hope from being a completely narcissistic to a noble action. I mean really, it's not as if child-bearing is truly that positive of a hedonistic value. It is a sacrifice. One could hope if done well with some over all benefit to this world.
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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Tropism]
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Most of the ones who might raise a somewhat healthy child don't want to do it for all the right reasons.
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