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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19408179 - 01/12/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Faht! Good to see you around!

I'm liking the way this lating casing is turning out :awesomenod:




Yooo... nice to see ya too, pal!  I'm glad you're digging the tek so far... looks like all your tubs (late cased and otherwise) are going to be decent.. no surprise there, I suppose. 

I changed my bulk tek too, so there shouldn't be too much going around about poking holes in bags etc. from now on. :wink:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #19414642 - 01/13/14 09:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Frank, so I just wanted to give you my input on how I think things are going/working so far.. The whole idea with late casing is that the sub is left exposed to light through the knotting and briefly through the pinning stage to promote the substrate to switch to knotting/pinning.  And once that has happened, by putting a thin casing over the top, gives those pins and knots a humid environment to develop in while restricting evaporation off the very top of the substrate; this moisture is where those fruits are going to pull from at first (it's the closest moisture they have which makes sense.)  I mean, technically, if you're entire fruiting chamber is the same RH that doesn't apply, but when leaving your upper poly loose to promote air movement in your chambers, evaporation is going to happen; any reduction in that is going to help.  But, you do want to allow your sub to breathe, so an uncolonized casing is going to be optimal.  so it's a bit of a balancing act.  Which brings me to the next point..

With late casing you don't have to worry about your casing material being compromised.  Simply due to the fact that you don't have it exposed to a grow environment at 100% like you have with the tubs above it.  Patching is also something that isn't needed due to the substrate switching from colonizing to fruiting. AND dropping a casing on top of the substrate acts sorta like a light scratching (mind you, I understand the meaning of 'Light' here lol) This leads me into what I want to say next...

I feel (and have felt) that the reason (leaving out the fact that they are untested iso's) your "cased from 100%" tubs are looking better, pin wise, is because you gave your subs something non-nutritious to promote rhizomorphic myc through.  The fact that you mixed your substrate up (again, absolutely nothing wrong with that), but that leaves high nutrient spawn at the top of your substrate; which doesn't promote thick rhizo's that lead to pinning (which is why straight grain substrates left uncased do poorly... depends on the strain variety, I know.)  That's why I think you are seeing better pin sets with the your cased right away tubs... (but will the fruits be smaller in size due to spent energy colonizing the casing?) whether or not the ultimate outcome would be different is yet to be seen, but what I would like to see YOU do.... is test a theory I have.. I've tried to get a few people to do it, but you're one of the people that I trust to do it right...

I want you to do a layer/mix hybrid.  I want you to mix 3/4 of the substrate with spawn like you normally do, but for the last 2 quarts and last layer(you could do more, but for now, just 2), I want you to lay them (the spawn grain) out flat on top of the mixed sub.  Then put about 3/4 inch of just substrate over that.  This is instantly promoting rhizo growth while leaving a very high nutrient layer juuuuust below the surface that the fruits are going to pull from.  AND that "casing" layer you put over the 1/4 inch grain substrate layer (that is acting like a casing put on at 100%) has frocking nutrients in it that are only going to help you.  Then, as the top layer begins to get colonized from the bottom 1/4 inch spawn layer, patch, very lightly... just enough to cover the areas broken through.. just so the rest can catch up due to undeliberate unevenness. 

If you look in my late casing thread you'll see that I did it in conjunction with my bulk thread based on layering.  Many people will say that once a substrate is fully colonized it's a network that all works together... I don't see it that way; BE is logical; it's going to use the nutrients and moisture closest to the fruit it's trying to grow.  water flowing down a hill will always choose the easiest route. 

Then throw a late casing on that sucker and see what it does.

So, please dear sir :smile:  give it a whirl... if it doesn't work... I'll send you a pic of me literally eating my words. :thumbup:

This is in my late casing thread, but I did a side-by-side test of a clone when I posted that late casing thread..



That's three tubs of the same clone, made at the same time... the one on the left is uncased, the middle is late cased, and the one on the right is cased at 100%... they all did close to the same in yield over three flushes, but that middle one is the reason I posted the tek (mind you, I did experiments prior to that that I didn't post for validity.)  (And sometimes esp. during the summer months, time IS of the essence) BUT they were all done with my top layering tek.  And I don't care if I get credit for the top layering tek... I really don't.. I just want to see everyone getting the most out of the time they're putting in... it's the whole reason I started posted at all. (at least nowadays, anyway)

So, whatdya say, Frank, you in?  And I woulda done this years ago, but alas, I had to stop growing. :frown:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19414716 - 01/13/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i fucking love ya faht!:rockon: genius as usual!


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19414804 - 01/13/14 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

nice im gonna upload, i cased 2 non PE tubs and loving the pinset it gave me turning on my heater in my house killed my RH and my pinsets.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19414813 - 01/13/14 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

sounds interesting. although someone would have to hold a gun to my head to get me to layer again lol.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19414901 - 01/13/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's not a total layer.. just the top where the fruits are growing and pulling from.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19414937 - 01/13/14 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

gotcha. I hope Frank tries it out it sounds like a winner. I would try it if I did mono's


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: God Stamet]
    #19417404 - 01/14/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm in faht!

I'll compose a better reply once I get back at the computer, got some stuff to do today, but I wanted to let you know, that's a big "hell yeah i'll try it!"

I have some pics of the first four harvests, two in particular you might find interesting.

I have two tubs with the same isolate that just got harvested today.

They were put together at the same time, same substrate, same amount of spawn, etc etc same everything. 

Except that when I fruited, I put a 1/4" casing on top of one right away. I late cased the other one. There was a significant difference in presentation, yields are yet to be seen but I think they're going to be similar.

When I get home, I'll post pics and make sure I'm clear on the experiment I'm going to be doing :derfase:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19418338 - 01/14/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Updates! Four harvests down, seven to go.

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I cased two of these tubs at 100% and put them into fruiting conditions (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-B2: 205.1g - solid fruiter

OR-B2 was harvested at two different times, 12 hours apart:


Total first flush for OR-D1a:


I waited to see a few pins on the last three tubs and then I late cased those (1/4" casing layer).

Total first flush dry for OR-E2a: 214.5g - Great fruiter


Total first flush dry for D1a:






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I want you to do a layer/mix hybrid.  I want you to mix 3/4 of the substrate with spawn like you normally do, but for the last 2 quarts and last layer(you could do more, but for now, just 2), I want you to lay them (the spawn grain) out flat on top of the mixed sub.  Then put about 3/4 inch of just substrate over that.  This is instantly promoting rhizo growth while leaving a very high nutrient layer juuuuust below the surface that the fruits are going to pull from.  AND that "casing" layer you put over the 1/4 inch grain substrate layer (that is acting like a casing put on at 100%) has frocking nutrients in it that are only going to help you.  Then, as the top layer begins to get colonized from the bottom 1/4 inch spawn layer, patch, very lightly... just enough to cover the areas broken through.. just so the rest can catch up due to undeliberate unevenness.




I'll do it, and I'll run a few of the same isolate under the different casing conditions I've done in this thread for comparison. Sound good? I got some dishes colonizing for the next project, it's gonna be february before results start rolling in. But I'll make a thread and send you a PM faht :thumbup:

edit: Also faht, take a look at the difference between the two D1a's above. The difference is pretty striking, I am looking forward to weighing it tomorrow.

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19418404 - 01/14/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll do it, and I'll run a few of the same isolate under the different casing conditions I've done in this thread for comparison. Sound good? I got some dishes colonizing for the next project, it's gonna be february before results start rolling in. But I'll make a thread and send you a PM faht :thumbup:




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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19418420 - 01/14/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I noticed that you cut some of the caps off. Do you do that so they won't drop spores while the others catch up or were you making prints?


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Stuey1]
    #19418438 - 01/14/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I noticed that you cut some of the caps off. Do you do that so they won't drop spores while the others catch up or were you making prints?




Both, but if I don't need prints, I decapitate them to prevent a mess of spores like you said :thumbup:

If they don't all pop off at once, IME (with isolates) it usually only need 4-12 hours after the first ones pop their veil.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Stuey1]
    #19418466 - 01/14/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

nice and level casings

just so many tubs, good you finally got a martha ;-P

preparing tubs can be a lot of work sometimes if many tubs
defintely hope to get a martha one day too

not sure I would spend time on casing personally, so much work, and hard to find ingredients
only know where to get coir
and coir performs very well alone usually

maybe if I suddenly fall over all the ingredients at once

but I will be trying wormcastings+coir soon, might be beneficial to phadjust that somehow
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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: lessismore]
    #19418480 - 01/14/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll keep that in mind here in about a week. Thanks


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Stuey1]
    #19418805 - 01/14/14 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll do it, and I'll run a few of the same isolate under the different casing conditions I've done in this thread for comparison. Sound good? I got some dishes colonizing for the next project, it's gonna be february before results start rolling in. But I'll make a thread and send you a PM faht :thumbup:

edit: Also faht, take a look at the difference between the two D1a's above. The difference is pretty striking, I am looking forward to weighing it tomorrow.

:cheers:




Sounds wonderful, Frank! :smile:  I'm looking forward to living vicariously through your hard work. hahaha. Awesome work as per usual!
Yeah, definitely a thicker pin set with that cased early tub.  But looks like you got some monsters with that late cased tub.. The weight comparisons will be nice to see. :thumbup:

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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: fahtster]
    #19418833 - 01/14/14 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wow, man, watching this thread evolve is like a crash course in documentary photo essay.  good work.


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19418975 - 01/14/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what is this so many shrooms haha how do u grow like this


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: Southcoastshrooms]
    #19418999 - 01/14/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what is this so many shrooms haha how do u grow like this




Best signature EVER. +5 for you!

And I dunno. Lots of practice and failures :cool:


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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19419006 - 01/14/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what is this so many shrooms haha how do u grow like this




Best signature EVER. +5 for you!

And I dunno. Lots of practice and failures :cool:



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Re: Frank finally cases 11 tubs, a grow log [Re: cronicr]
    #19419183 - 01/14/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i fucking love ya faht!:rockon: genius as usual!




thanks, btw, cronicr :smile:

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