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InvisibleJonnyOnTheSpot
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The Canidates For Democrat
    #1941707 - 09/22/03 07:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Does anyone have a favorite yet? Who would be the best one to vote for so that we could get rid of bush?

I was thinking they all pretty much suck, except for howard dean. His ideas don't remind me of democrats at all, he has his own ideas that make alot of since. In a way he seems sort of like a 3rd party canidate only he's running as a democrat.

Anybody have a favorite yet?


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #1941716 - 09/22/03 07:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't see the point of getting behind anybody.

Bush can start kicking babies and still get reelected.


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1941721 - 09/22/03 07:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

well then you suck, and you're wrong. His approval ratings are way down in case you didn't know.


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #1941737 - 09/22/03 07:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Look up Clintons ratings at the same point in his presidency.

They were lower than GW's are now.


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Re: The Canidates For Democrat [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #1941740 - 09/22/03 07:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'd vote for Kucinich if I thought he stood a chance in hell. Dean is pretty good all-around, but he has a bad record when it comes to medical marijuana. That's why I'm probably going to vote for Clark.


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Re: The Canidates For Democrat [Re: silversoul7]
    #1941741 - 09/22/03 07:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Waco Texas Clark?

Edit: forgot the link.

Link


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (09/22/03 07:23 PM)


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1941742 - 09/22/03 07:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Look up Clintons ratings at the same point in his presidency.

They were lower than GW's are now.



Ya, but didn't Ross Perot act as a spoiler vote?


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Re: The Canidates For Democrat [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1941751 - 09/22/03 07:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Waco Texas Clark?



Dammit! That was him? Oh well, back to Dean.


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: silversoul7]
    #1941757 - 09/22/03 07:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

George Bush Sr's ratings were in the same neighborhood too.....

I'm just a glass half empty kind of guy in the world of politics right now.


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: silversoul7]
    #1941760 - 09/22/03 07:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Ya, but didn't Ross Perot act as a spoiler vote?



Yup, but my response was strictly about ratings.


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Re: The Democratic Canidates [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1941806 - 09/22/03 07:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)


"Look up Clintons ratings at the same point in his presidency.

They were lower than GW's are now."


You're forgeting something though. Clinton was a master at bushitting and getting people to like him. He was a smooth talker that thrived in the media world.

Bush on the other hand hates the media..He stumbles around like a fool constantly fucking up, transparently avoiding issues, and just flat out lying about things. These are the reason why bush has given such a small number of press conferences compared to other presidents. The Media is his worst enemy cuz everyone can see how full of shit he is everytime he gets put on the spot.

Hopefully people will wise up and the democrats will raise up some important issues like all the negative things that bush and john ashcroft have done to this country and our rights, as weel as stressing the evidence that says we invaded iraq under false pretenses etc etc. Who knows, maybe a democratic canidate will even try to clear up some of the widespread ignorance in this country, such as how 75% of americans think saddam hussein and osama bin laden worked together to plan 9/11(despite there being no evidence at all) I think that would really hurt bush's chances of getting re-elected since it's pretty clear he relies on peoples ignorance to gain support on most issues



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Re: The Canidates For Democrat [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1942641 - 09/22/03 11:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

from the WACO link...

"Why didn't the residents come out? The
cover story as related by the FBI and
the Department of Justice is that the
Branch Davidians killed their own children
and then themselves and simultaneneously
set the complex on fire rather than surrender.
There is no forensic evidence to support
this claim.

Here's what a Failure Analysis Associates' study
found about the nature of the "crowd control"
gas that was used:

"1. The first assault started at approximately 6:00 A.M. ....

CS concentrations in the rooms directly injected by the M5
delivery alone ranged from 2 to 90 times that required to
deter trained soldiers.

Methylene chloride concentrations in the rooms directly
injected by gas were as high as 1.8 times the IDLH
(Immediately Dangerous to Life and Health) concentration
and nearly to the concentration that would render a person
unconscious.

2. The second assault started at approximately 7:30 A.M.

CS concentrations in the rooms directly injected by gas
from M5 delivery alone ranged from 2 to 80 times that
required to deter trained soldiers.

Methylene chloride concentrations ... were as high as
1.6 times the IDLH...."

All in all, nearly 400 gas filled projectiles were fired
into the building, and CS was sprayed from four tank
rack dispensers on the armored vehicles. As Failure Analysis
Associates concluded in it report, this was the most intensive
use of crowd control chemicals in the history of the United
States.

Methylene chloride is even more dangerous than CS--and five
pounds of MeCl were injected for every ounce of CS. MeCl is
an industrial solvent, with powerful anesthetic properties.
It was once used as paint remover before being banned
for that purpose for being too dangerous to handle.
Both gases are flammable.

In other words, the gases used and the quantities they
were used in were sufficient to kill many of the inhabitants
on contact, especially the young children, and would have been
more or less capable of instantly incapacitating the rest.

Finally, there is the issue of the fire which
destroyed most of the evidence. Edward Allard, a leading
expert in FLIR (forward looking infrared recorder)
stated his conclusions in a court document after
reviewing the official FLIR footage of the final
assault:

"11. At 12:08:32, the FLIR depicts events at the rear
of the building, where the large "gymnasium" structure
has largely been demolished. Two very bright thermal
flashes are visible near to or in the window at the
center, in front of and to one side of the (armored
vehicle) which is stopped there. I see no natural
explanation for these flashes. They would not, for
instance, be reflections of sunlight off glass...

I declare under penalty of perjury that the above is
true and correct."

Source: http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/allard.html

Less than one minute after this hot, bright
sustained flash occurred "in front of and to one
side of the (armored vehicle)", the Mt. Carmel
complex began the process of burning down
Fire department personnel on the scene were told
they could not move forward to put out the fire
until "the danger had passed." The FBI determined
the danger had passed well after the building had
burned to the ground."


that's some fucked up repugnant shit.


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