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trying out vtek (w/ pin pics)
    #19416566 - 01/14/14 09:53 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)



Just some shots of some pins, don't want drama in this thread, lol!

Multispore G2G Orissa on rye grains, cased with straight coco properly pasteurized. Grains were soaked with some fert.

I've done tubs for 3 years and this is my first with containers. We'll see how it goes.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19416587 - 01/14/14 09:57 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

:irishtoast: looks rocking johnny!:awedance:


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: cronicr]
    #19416631 - 01/14/14 10:06 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19416663 - 01/14/14 10:13 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

i like how you used the coir for a casing layer! been alot of people misunderstood about that:rockon:


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: cronicr]
    #19416817 - 01/14/14 10:52 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

Gotta admit that this tek is very interesting to me. Not gonna try it for a while since im still a newb and wanna get what ive already learned down to a science before expanding my knowledge again but definitely interested for down the road a piece.

Im still confused by people using coir as a casing layer lol. In my experience if the layer is too nutritous than it keeps the mycelium in a colonizing stage instead of fruiting. So you get half the tub producing fruits and the other half eating more substrate. Just seems like it confuses the myc lol.

But again I am a newb so please forgive me my ignorant veiws if that is what they are :smile:.

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Valyr]
    #19416893 - 01/14/14 11:13 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

I cased those before I saw any pins. It was about 7 days after I cased I saw the first pin.

Now things are staring to come in fairly evenly especially with a MS grow. Happy with the results so far.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19416930 - 01/14/14 11:25 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

are those 66 quart monotubs your using as the FC for the vtek?

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: cronicr]
    #19417033 - 01/14/14 11:58 AM (11 years, 5 days ago)

Cool!

Maybe it's just the coir casing, but it looks dry to me.
Perhaps those 'mono' holes... remember these cakes don't really need that.  If it were me I'd tape them over, maybe only using one a couple open ones if you really want to, stuffed tight


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19417054 - 01/14/14 12:03 PM (11 years, 5 days ago)

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are those 66 quart monotubs your using as the FC for the vtek?

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Violet]
    #19417085 - 01/14/14 12:09 PM (11 years, 5 days ago)

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Cool!

Maybe it's just the coir casing, but it looks dry to me.
Perhaps those 'mono' holes... remember these cakes don't really need that.  If it were me I'd tape them over, maybe only using one a couple open ones if you really want to, stuffed tight




Thanks for the tip. I've got another 24 colonizing so i'll try that with the next couple of tubs. I agree the casing looked a little dry so i'll mist one of them and compare the results.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19417421 - 01/14/14 01:39 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

Just stoping by to sread some positive encouragement!  Your grow looks good! Keep doing it!


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Violet]
    #19417461 - 01/14/14 01:51 PM (11 years, 4 days ago)

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Cool!

Maybe it's just the coir casing, but it looks dry to me.
Perhaps those 'mono' holes... remember these cakes don't really need that.  If it were me I'd tape them over, maybe only using one a couple open ones if you really want to, stuffed tight



Just curious violet, why don't v-tek containers need to go in a sgfc? Do they provide enough moisture for an entire tub to get humid enough?


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19423344 - 01/15/14 03:10 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Just curious violet, why don't v-tek containers need to go in a sgfc?



They don't need to go into a a sgfc because, unlike PF cakes which are exposed at all sides, these are exposed only at their fruiting surface, which also should be cased.

SGFCs are effectively the only fruiting chamber for PF cakes because of their extreme exposure and sensitivity.
Effectively any chamber that retains high humidity works for these cakes because they're defended by the container and casing layer.

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Do they provide enough moisture for an entire tub to get humid enough?



They would, but it would be to their own expense to expect the casings to handle humidification alone.
You should have misting do this.

This is why unhumidified fresh air exchange can be problematic for these containers, and why air exchange, especially automated exchange, should always be paired with humidification.

"Monotub"-style holes count as unhumidified air exchange.
The air coming in is dry, and the air that it displaces coming out is wet with moisture lost from the inside.

Misting is more than enough moisture to humidify the air in an appropriately-sized tub.  However, if that air keeps exchanging, it's as if the misting and the containers are expected to humidify 2 times, 3 times, 5 times as much air with the same moisture you supplied.  This is where drying problems start happening, and for little reason since these cakes of Cubensis don't need very much air!


4 containers to 1.5 cubic feet of air should have no problem humidifying the air after a misting on the casings and tub sides.  However it's obvious that they'd dry out in the attempt to humidify a larger space of 10 cubic feet.
There may be only 1.5 cubic foot at any point, but with air exchanging the same moisture would be expected to humidify perhaps 3 or more cubic feet of air by the next time you'll mist.


Control air exchange in favor of retained humidity.  This is not only easier to set up, but involves less work total (just 1-3 times misting/fanning a day), no modifications to anything, and easily retains great conditions as long as you don't leave them to suffocate.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Violet]
    #19423569 - 01/15/14 03:57 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

How do you like it so far compared to tubs? Not asking you to declare which is better or any other drama by the way......

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: vikingsc]
    #19423587 - 01/15/14 04:02 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

Hard to say yet because I haven't got to harvest yet. I know my casing was a bit dry and that will probably affect the yield(at least in the first flush).

Prep and G2G were very easy though. I probably will end up doing both ways for a bit until I can see which one I like better.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19423687 - 01/15/14 04:33 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

well does violets method not require unbroken colonies which g2g would do?


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: cronicr]
    #19423787 - 01/15/14 05:00 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

If you mean make a solid grain cake, yes. But I got there with G2G.

Filled container to 1 cup line, sterilized. Then when cooled, I used about a tbsp of colonized grain, gave it a shake and waited for full colonization. Gave it about 5 days consolidation before I cased.

I'm thinking of soaking the colonized grain cake before I case the next ones. Casing material a little above field capacity.

If this does prove to be more contamm resistant than tubs i might end up being a convert. Time will tell though


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19423981 - 01/15/14 05:34 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19425058 - 01/15/14 09:36 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: magickspore]
    #19425355 - 01/15/14 10:39 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

One nice thing is not putting all your fruits in one basket so to speak:laugh:

It drives me crazy to lose an entire tub to contams.

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    #19425371 - 01/15/14 10:42 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19427135 - 01/16/14 09:58 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)



I heavily misted yesterday when I saw some small guys open up. Maybe do a bottom water as the grain cake has pulled away from the side of the container a bit.

Shrooms are kinda dinky but I'm hopeful for future flushes


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19427148 - 01/16/14 10:02 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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    #19427257 - 01/16/14 10:21 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)

Just watching :mushroom2:

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    #19427283 - 01/16/14 10:26 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)

:popcorn:
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    #19427292 - 01/16/14 10:27 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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    #19427316 - 01/16/14 10:34 AM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: magickspore]
    #19432404 - 01/17/14 09:43 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)



so I picked the flush yesterday, was 214g wet for the 2 bins. Didn't pick every container and some just had 1 or 2. Gave it a good water so we'll see how the next flush comes in.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19432468 - 01/17/14 09:59 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

Good job.  Congrats on your first vtek harvest.  May each flush be bigger then the last!:mushroom2:


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    #19432496 - 01/17/14 10:05 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

214g wet from 24 containers?  That's less than a dry gram per container... Multi-spore I'd hope for say 3-4 grams from each of the first several flushes.
Congrats on the success!  But definitely keep working on providing water and ideal conditions.  I see you still have the poly-fil holes there, perhaps try covering them and fanning.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Violet]
    #19432510 - 01/17/14 10:10 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: chaka333]
    #19432519 - 01/17/14 10:12 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

Did you forget the ferts?

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Violet]
    #19432528 - 01/17/14 10:15 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

yeah they were pretty small but it was due to lack of water. I didn't pick all of em and I saw a bunch of new pins already.

i would like to use polyfil for fae due to the fact that I can only be there once a day if that. So looking for the set and forget you get with mono's.

My other 24 containers are probably 3-4 days away from full colonization. I'm thinking when they are done I will soak the grains, then wait for pins before I case them.

i had quite a few pins grow down that I can't harvest, perhaps the fact that I cased before I saw pins made this happen?

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19432570 - 01/17/14 10:27 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

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i would like to use polyfil for fae due to the fact that I can only be there once a day if that. So looking for the set and forget you get with mono's.



May I suggest then that you cover all of the holes except the Top ones, and don't stuff them lightly if they are.
These seriously don't need near the fresh-air exchange that giant mono cakes do, so when they get it you have dryness problems.

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My other 24 containers are probably 3-4 days away from full colonization. I'm thinking when they are done I will soak the grains, then wait for pins before I case them.



They need consolidation time!
Case them no sooner than 5 days after fully colonized IMO.  So far I believe I've seen best results with at a week or more consolidation.

And don't wait for pins to case them!  You'll wait a long time and it will cause drying problems on the cake.  It's almost as if the cake is waiting on a casing layer to fruit, at least to fruit ideally.


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i had quite a few pins grow down that I can't harvest, perhaps the fact that I cased before I saw pins made this happen?



Nope!


When you case, be sure to press the casing against the sides of the container.  "Seal-in" the cake underneath the casing, and the cultures are much more likely to choose only the exposed top for fruiting since it's a nice microclimate with exposure to fresh-air exchange and a low-nutrition environment on which to fruit.


Rather than late-casing as a casing experiment, I'd suggest letting casing layers colonize fully before fruiting, pretty much almost the exact opposite.


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: Violet]
    #19432661 - 01/17/14 10:54 AM (11 years, 2 days ago)

Awesome!

I did consolidation with these last ones at a week, and I pressed the casing against the side but I didn't want to compress it too much.

I will use these tips on my next run and change up the poly on these asap.

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19480607 - 01/27/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)



so trich... much death...

Got some bigger ones than the first but yeah. I`ll try this again sometime using grass seed and potting soil. See if I can get some better results


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19480650 - 01/27/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Bummer, sorry for the Trich man, nice that you got something at least for your efforts. :smile:

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Re: trying out vtek [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19480713 - 01/27/14 10:39 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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so trich... much death...

Got some bigger ones than the first but yeah. I`ll try this again sometime using grass seed and potting soil. See if I can get some better results




I call BS only shit slinging poo farming old age growers get trich. :lol:

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V tek is about AVOIDING trich.

from our POV, were not interested in a fast flush and a trich finale,

if your happy with your bulks fine.
some of us need more performance and more reliability.
i cant risk wiping out my lab with trich cuz of some frank tek.

and if ya havent triched out yet, you will
everyone else using his teks does, even he does.
thats the trick part.
dont be triched.

we use a fraction of the sub,
and get multi flushes,
and we rarely? end in trich.

should be obvious at face value.
multi flushes always beat a one trich pony sub tub.
*(even though must bulkers get to 2-3+ flushes...?)

as peeps grasp the utility of v-tek on so many levels,
alot of the myths will subside.
(I hope so)






so is the v-tek good for the 3rd floor lakefront boardwalk tower dwellers with a doorman whom a maid cannot distract?

I don't think any of us in this community here at shroomery know how to do v-tek as good as anne or violet ever will :sad:

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Next, Violet and anne. I am sure that you feel like you are being singled out right now, but I am doing so for a reason. This is your tek for sure, but it stopped being exclusive the moment you posted it. To respond to intelligent critique is expected, but to do so in a cryptic manner, pulling out pics of mushrooms on rulers, getting overly defensive, referring to bulkers as ostrich noobs, is not painting you in a positive light. To suggest that you need a lab to grow, or that trich is a reason to repaint your house, is also not going to win many to your cause. I will say that I have received many :pm: these last few weeks, from many people who find the v tek appealing for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, they also find that your writeups are vague in areas, responses to questions cryptic, and general demeanor to be off putting. I hope for the sake of many that you two can rise above that and use your knowledge to just help people grow mushrooms. I swear my dream would be to read either of you giving some much needed help to a noob on their bulk attempt, without editorial overtones or sarcasm, same way any bulker would help a noob with the pf tek.



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Re: trying out vtek [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19480844 - 01/27/14 11:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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    #19480991 - 01/27/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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:uhoh:
this is gonna get good:crazy:



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    #19481042 - 01/27/14 12:16 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I can hear it now, Johnnie you didn't have a laboratory how could you expect to get the same results as the pictures you saw in the original TEK. or something like that.

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    #19481052 - 01/27/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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so trich... much death...

Got some bigger ones than the first but yeah. I`ll try this again sometime using grass seed and potting soil. See if I can get some better results




I call BS only shit slinging poo farming old age growers get trich. :lol:

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V tek is about AVOIDING trich.

from our POV, were not interested in a fast flush and a trich finale,

if your happy with your bulks fine.
some of us need more performance and more reliability.
i cant risk wiping out my lab with trich cuz of some frank tek.

and if ya havent triched out yet, you will
everyone else using his teks does, even he does.
thats the trick part.
dont be triched.

we use a fraction of the sub,
and get multi flushes,
and we rarely? end in trich.

should be obvious at face value.
multi flushes always beat a one trich pony sub tub.
*(even though must bulkers get to 2-3+ flushes...?)

as peeps grasp the utility of v-tek on so many levels,
alot of the myths will subside.
(I hope so)






so is the v-tek good for the 3rd floor lakefront boardwalk tower dwellers with a doorman whom a maid cannot distract?

I don't think any of us in this community here at shroomery know how to do v-tek as good as anne or violet ever will :sad:

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Next, Violet and anne. I am sure that you feel like you are being singled out right now, but I am doing so for a reason. This is your tek for sure, but it stopped being exclusive the moment you posted it. To respond to intelligent critique is expected, but to do so in a cryptic manner, pulling out pics of mushrooms on rulers, getting overly defensive, referring to bulkers as ostrich noobs, is not painting you in a positive light. To suggest that you need a lab to grow, or that trich is a reason to repaint your house, is also not going to win many to your cause. I will say that I have received many :pm: these last few weeks, from many people who find the v tek appealing for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, they also find that your writeups are vague in areas, responses to questions cryptic, and general demeanor to be off putting. I hope for the sake of many that you two can rise above that and use your knowledge to just help people grow mushrooms. I swear my dream would be to read either of you giving some much needed help to a noob on their bulk attempt, without editorial overtones or sarcasm, same way any bulker would help a noob with the pf tek.



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I can hear it now, Johnnie you didn't have a laboratory how could you expect to get the same results as the pictures you saw in the original TEK. or something like that.




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I can hear it now, Johnnie you didn't have a laboratory how could you expect to get the same results as the pictures you saw in the original TEK. or something like that.




It`s cuz I don`t have a maid



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    #19481072 - 01/27/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

So silly and trivial, bod.  Being a pollutant on the boards.
Fucking get over your trifling self already.

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so trich... much death...
Got some bigger ones than the first but yeah. I`ll try this again sometime using grass seed and potting soil. See if I can get some better results



Are a bunch of those Trich spots on the bases of cut stems?  Even if so, but especially if not:
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I'd suggest letting casing layers colonize fully before fruiting



Also suggest using potting soil casing layer.  IME Trich seems to have more affinity for Peat - I know you cased with coir, but I see the same kind of trichiness on colonized coir casings.

Especially if... it was really dry!  Dry, then wettened, then dried again, then wettened... Trich central.  Control your gas exchange and keep humidity up, keep the surface mycelium healthy and not regularly re-wettened with contaminated water, you'll have better trichless results.

With sifted potting soil casings prepared the extra-moist clumpy way I do them, colonized well before introduced to fruiting (optional but my preference now),  and the conditions kept healthy for the casing's surface myc, these days I seldom toss cakes before they're spent (given that there's not already a trichoderma or aspergillus outbreak local)


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    #19481079 - 01/27/14 12:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:takingnotes:


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    #19481091 - 01/27/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, i can see where I went wrong with these. I appreciate your help violet.

Like I said before, I`ll give it another go with grass seed and potting soil in the future.


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Are a bunch of those Trich spots on the bases of cut stems?



I'm mostly just curious if Trich moreso attacked dying stem mycelium or the so-so-colonized dried/wettened/dried/wettened coir casing.


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Good story, sad ending :frown:


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    #19481114 - 01/27/14 12:29 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

because of the trich i can't tell if you cut or twisted to harvest


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Are a bunch of those Trich spots on the bases of cut stems?



I'm mostly just curious if Trich moreso attacked dying stem mycelium or the dried/wettened/dried/wettened coir casing.





Some were on cut stems, and some were on containers that didn`t flush. I got rid of 2 when I saw the inital breakout, and snapped this pic 3 days later.


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    #19481127 - 01/27/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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because of the trich i can't tell if you cut or twisted to harvest




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    #19481131 - 01/27/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

those cakes look like the hail strait outta hastings:crazy:


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    #19481134 - 01/27/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I twist-pull to harvest.  With some strains they can have a strong hold on the casing/sub so I reinforce around the base while I do it.  Preferable strains let go more easily...  one more of many strain-varying traits that effect which is best for a given tek...

I never much liked cutting stems. I'd rather clean the bottoms of whole ones after they dry, and not leave dying stem mycelium which is delicious to Trich.


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    #19481137 - 01/27/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Wow man, the trich came on fast.  Did it hit them all at the same time?  Your post 10 days ago looked great, then BAM!


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    #19485427 - 01/28/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I never much liked cutting stems. I'd rather clean the bottoms of whole ones after they dry, and not leave dying stem mycelium which is delicious to Trich.




Never noticed this.
Why do people tell to cut at base if it's likely to go south from there?
My stems always just drown in new mycel, never seen anything but bruising from it.

Are your exp different or is this just applicable to pp5 cased grains?

(straight question, not trying to start shit!)

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    #19485455 - 01/28/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I call foul...PENALTY!

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got a decent flush off of these. And got a few good sized ones too.

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Anyone ever try using colloidal silver on trich?  I'm a try it :thumbup:


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    #19485934 - 01/28/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

i haven't even seen that shit in years lol(the silver)


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i haven't even seen that shit in years lol(the silver)



Likewise, colloidal silver that shit that turns black people blue and makes vegan hipsters with celiacs disease feel better about everything ailing their fragile polluted bodies.

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i haven't even seen that shit in years lol(the silver)



Likewise, colloidal silver that shit that turns black people blue and makes vegan hipsters with celiacs disease feel better about everything ailing their fragile polluted bodies.





Doesn't turn anyone anything, unless you make it with tap water, then the silver bonds with the salts and your liver can't do shit about it then....good if you want to be the silver surfer:thumbup:  However, that shit isn't colloidal silver.

I've been making my own for a few years, and drinking it.  I'm fine.  It isn't the wonder drug those "vegan hipsters" say it is, but it most definitely has an impact.  I will try it anyway, and let you know.


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    #19486036 - 01/28/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

There's plenty of things that kill trich but trich eats cube mycelium and it's networks by the time it sporulates are extensive that's why you're not getting rid of it no matter cutting,bleach,salt,alcohol,silver,carborundum drill bits, energy stones, quinine etc...

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There's plenty of things that kill trich but trich eats cube mycelium and it's networks by the time it sporulates are extensive that's why you're not getting rid of it no matter cutting,bleach,salt,alcohol,silver,carborundum drill bits, energy stones, quinine etc...



Not even energy stones???:laugh:

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There's plenty of things that kill trich but trich eats cube mycelium and it's networks by the time it sporulates are extensive that's why you're not getting rid of it no matter cutting,bleach,salt,alcohol,silver,carborundum drill bits, energy stones, quinine etc...





Good info :thumbup:  thanks brother.  I had no idea trich actually ate cube mycelium.  I though it would eat the nutes from the cake. 

Ima still give'r a hook though, im interested to see if it will stop it from sporulating...


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Re: trying out vtek [Re: 1down5up]
    #19486867 - 01/28/14 03:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

What about make an agar with the silver, innoc with trich. Trich would colonize agar see if it makes a difference

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    #19486994 - 01/28/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Sucks about the mean green. Congrats on the boomers. Sucks having all that wasted space between those PP5 containers. The only benefit IMO is being able to ditch a contamed PP5 container in a hurry.

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    #19486999 - 01/28/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

That's a great fuckin idea man.  I'll try to make the agar with the silver for one plate, one normal...then manually apply the CS with a dropper:thumbup:

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    #19488424 - 01/28/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I'm kinda surprised to see that trich explosion. I tried(still trying) vtek and I never got any really heavy flushes, but my cakes were super contam resistant, they went 5 or 6 flushes before finally turning green.

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    #19489128 - 01/28/14 10:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Stumps are not prone to trich or any mold, divots will grow mold more often.

Cut at the base, keep your FAE good for the second and later flushes, and mist as needed :thumbup:

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Stumps are not prone to trich or any mold, divots will grow mold more often.

Cut at the base, keep your FAE good for the second and later flushes, and mist as needed :thumbup:

Molds will germinate and grow if your sub is too wet or your chamber too full of stale air.




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