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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr] * 3
    #19413904 - 01/13/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Finally, I do not want this to turn into a flame war or a platform for drama. That is not why I started this project, and if I feel that it is turning into such, I will simply ask a mod to lock the thread. Lets try and use this as a means of discovery.




:girlofdisapproval:

Sorry that I have neglected this thread. I had some personal issues and then to top it off, my dog ate a dark chocolate cheesecake and needed some serious emergency care for the rest of the weekend. After a frantic day at work, I come home, open my threads, and find 2.5 pages of bullshit.

:kingcrankey:

I gotta say that I'm pretty disappointed. I knew that going into this that there would be some degree of crap, but this thread has more manure in it than half the shroomery could use in a year. I had intended to use this thread as a platform for comparison, not to prove who's penis envy is biggest, but so that we could all learn something. Fortunately I learned lots myself. I learned that V tek is not as simple on the surface as it seems. I learned that there are holes in the writeup that need to be filled, that's not to say that there are no merits, rather that the understanding is limited. I believe that much of my issues are specific to my lifestyle and environment, and may not be as detrimental for other people. I also believe that I learned enough that my next attempt will be much more successful. However, to my dismay, I also learned that many of the people here have BIG ego's. Some people are unwilling to be the bigger person and let stuff go. Its unfortunate that these individuals need to ruin what could be an excellent platform for us all to contribute to.

I never see people chiding noobs for doing pf cakes. Why are we so compelled to bash each other over teks once we get past that stage. If someone is using proper sterile tek, and proven practices, can't we just accept that they chose cased grains, a monotub, or a straw log for a reason. I am trying to round out my understanding of mycology, and hoped that others would do the same. Granted, many of you have been excellent contributors to this thread, popping up only to comment on a discovery, or to offer some well meaning encouragement. But today when I scroll through and see the discussion has devolved to ostrich behaviors well, I just about pulled the fucking plug right there. I still might.

I am going to admit that I got in over my head a bit. I just realized that since starting this, I have had 18 subs fruiting or fruited, with 3 species in the mix. That might not be a lot for some of you, but its a lot for me. I will say right now that no matter what happens going forward, I am doing this again. I will do it at a time when I have less going on, and can give the project the priority that it deserves. I will use the lessons I have learned to make it a better attempt than this one has been, and hopefully by then, the rest of the community will be ready to receive such an attempt.

I know that this has been a good thread for many people, as the :pm: I have exchanged with many people concerning this has had far more intelligent discourse than the thread itself. For the sake of those individuals, I'm not gonna pull the plug just yet. But the flame war has to stop. Going back, no one is going to be able to learn anything from this thread other than the shroomery has a lot of people with a lot to prove.

I would like to thank those individuals who have held their peace for the most part, those who have had positive things to share, and those who have contributed to intelligent discussion. You know who you are. I would also like to thank those, who held out from excessive flaming, and just read and watched. Its not easy to do, but in the end, you contribute by not detracting.

Next, Violet and anne. I am sure that you feel like you are being singled out right now, but I am doing so for a reason. This is your tek for sure, but it stopped being exclusive the moment you posted it. To respond to intelligent critique is expected, but to do so in a cryptic manner, pulling out pics of mushrooms on rulers, getting overly defensive, referring to bulkers as ostrich noobs, is not painting you in a positive light. To suggest that you need a lab to grow, or that trich is a reason to repaint your house, is also not going to win many to your cause. I will say that I have received many :pm: these last few weeks, from many people who find the v tek appealing for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, they also find that your writeups are vague in areas, responses to questions cryptic, and general demeanor to be off putting. I hope for the sake of many that you two can rise above that and use your knowledge to just help people grow mushrooms. I swear my dream would be to read either of you giving some much needed help to a noob on their bulk attempt, without editorial overtones or sarcasm, same way any bulker would help a noob with the pf tek.

Finally, I would like to address cronicr :begger: your prints will be in the mail this week :lol: sorry it took me so long.

I got a lot on my plate tonight, but I will try to get an update up.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19414028 - 01/13/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Next, Violet and anne. I am sure that you feel like you are being singled out right now, but I am doing so for a reason. This is your tek for sure, but it stopped being exclusive the moment you posted it. To respond to intelligent critique is expected, but to do so in a cryptic manner, pulling out pics of mushrooms on rulers, getting overly defensive, referring to bulkers as ostrich noobs, is not painting you in a positive light. To suggest that you need a lab to grow, or that trich is a reason to repaint your house, is also not going to win many to your cause. I will say that I have received many :pm: these last few weeks, from many people who find the v tek appealing for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, they also find that your writeups are vague in areas, responses to questions cryptic, and general demeanor to be off putting. I hope for the sake of many that you two can rise above that and use your knowledge to just help people grow mushrooms. I swear my dream would be to read either of you giving some much needed help to a noob on their bulk attempt, without editorial overtones or sarcasm, same way any bulker would help a noob with the pf tek.



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19414069 - 01/13/14 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Finally, I would like to address cronicr :begger: your prints will be in the mail this week :lol: sorry it took me so long.

I got a lot on my plate tonight, but I will try to get an update up.



:rockon:last but not least! fucking eh buddy!


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19414107 - 01/13/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If I'm going to have people incessantly acuse me of bitchiness that their projections are as good as birthing into appearances themselves, then I'm gonna bring out a little handful of it to show you what it looks like.


If you people want to see me do a grow log for you, I'll do one, on one condition that you do something for me:

Shut the hell up about this personal BS and just talk about mushrooms and facts.

All of this drama-yelling is based on your refusals to focus on the mushroom talk.  I never intend to do anything but.


And oh the feeling of disgust I get at the two-facedness of being assholes to me on the public boards but nice, polite, apologetic behind the scenes of PM.  It's striking how many of you show this subtly conniving dual nature.


If you want to see off-putting demeanor from me actually looks like, bodhisatta, keep useless posting stuff like that. Yes-manning and focusing on only the negativity.
I promise, you've not seen such from me yet.  But continual pretense might draw it out.

If you want to see nothing but a helpful Violet, be nothing but helpful posters.  You guys have had the bullshit on speed-dial with me and don't even try denying it.

Do you not realize that there have been only a handful of you people to stick your nose out to spark and exacerbate the flame?  I see only a very small crowd of clearly biased and vendetta-laden people that keep perpetuating this and dragging it on, having to have their say about the bullshit, and since they're making it all in my name I'm supposed to be responsible for it?


No more of that.  For better or for worse, I'm not going through it any more.

I'm doing this grow.  If you guys want to watch so badly, that all of this nonsense is really based on me not doing said grow, I will do the grow on the condition that the nonsense stops for it.

I will start a grow log this very hour if you just shut up about all this.

Seriously.  If all of you loudmouth accusers can just shut your damn pie holes and watch, I'll give you a grow log, exactly like you like it.

That's a promise.  Check my trade ratings, I'm good on my word.

So?  We got a deal?


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
    #19414122 - 01/13/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
    #19414150 - 01/13/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If I'm going to have people incessantly acuse me of bitchiness that their projections are as good as birthing into appearances themselves, then I'm gonna bring out a little handful of it to show you what it looks like.


If you people want to see me do a grow log for you, I'll do one, on one condition that you do something for me:

Shut the hell up about this personal BS and just talk about mushrooms and facts.

All of this drama-yelling is based on your refusals to focus on the mushroom talk.  I never intend to do anything but.


And oh the feeling of disgust I get at the two-facedness of being assholes to me on the public boards but nice, polite, apologetic behind the scenes of PM.  It's striking how many of you show this subtly conniving dual nature.


If you want to see off-putting demeanor from me actually looks like, bodhisatta, keep useless posting stuff like that. Yes-manning and focusing on only the negativity.
I promise, you've not seen such from me yet.  But continual pretense might draw it out.

If you want to see nothing but a helpful Violet, be nothing but helpful posters.  You guys have had the bullshit on speed-dial with me and don't even try denying it.

Do you not realize that there have been only a handful of you people to stick your nose out to spark and exacerbate the flame?  I see only a very small crowd of clearly biased and vendetta-laden people that keep perpetuating this and dragging it on, having to have their say about the bullshit, and since they're making it all in my name I'm supposed to be responsible for it?


No more of that.  For better or for worse, I'm not going through it any more.

I'm doing this grow.  If you guys want to watch so badly, that all of this nonsense is really based on me not doing said grow, I will do the grow on the condition that the nonsense stops for it.

I will start a grow log this very hour if you just shut up about all this.

Seriously.  If all of you loudmouth accusers can just shut your damn pie holes and watch, I'll give you a grow log, exactly like you like it.

That's a promise.  Check my trade ratings, I'm good on my word.

So?  We got a deal?



Alright violet, you got a deal from me.
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And oh the feeling of disgust I get at the two-facedness of being assholes to me on the public boards but nice, polite, apologetic behind the scenes of PM.  It's striking how many of you show this subtly conniving dual nature.



I truly did want to apologize though, I was a bit of an ass and I'm sorry for that. I wasn't trying to be "behind the scenes," I just felt a pm would be more direct. Again, I apologize and I'll keep my mouth shut from now on.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet] * 1
    #19414183 - 01/13/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Violet, I do not wish to absolve any of those you have baited you on these boards of their role, indeed they are as much to blame as anyone. It takes more than one to have a flame war. I am myself guilty and for that I apologize. Do the grow. I think that not having done one so far is what has lead to this. Of course there will be some who will accuse you of rigging things. I feel that pain. But even if they do, ignore it. This will be the perfect opportunity for you to showcase your tek, and hopefully clear a few things up. I certainly know that I will be watching. Really you should have done it from the start. It your tek, and your the one who can bring us all in. A ruler is not a scale and claims need to be qualified. But more than that, people need to see things in action. You are the best one to demonstrate for us.

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19414196 - 01/13/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well regardless, pasty i know what you did was alot of work and im glad you got something from it, but when you put versus in a title of a thread there is gonna be alot of e-peens that are gonna get swollen

but anyway dude nice write up and i like all the results.  i know i wouldnt have the patience for this

great job!


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: twistedty]
    #19414204 - 01/13/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i will pick my nose on the side lines violet:cool:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: twistedty]
    #19414225 - 01/13/14 08:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks ty, I must say its been a ride. I feel like I did set up some of the drama but it was my hope that it could have been gotton out of everyones system early on and allow for a decent discussion. Unfortunately I was wrong. I really hope that violet is able to get a more receptive audience and not a flock of boo birds.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19414232 - 01/13/14 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well you should have known right from the start the sparks were gonna fly at harvest! at least nobody got banned  because between everyone involved were all helpfull people who have alot of people watching us and it's a shame they have to see us like this


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19414303 - 01/13/14 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As a noob that watches and focuses on everyone's words. I found it quite entertaining. You don't see drama like this on tv:lol:

Pasty I'm sorry it had to be your thread but the way I see it this was inevitable. All that was needed was a catalyst.
Great work dude always a pleasure.
Violet thanks for doing a grow of your own.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19414314 - 01/13/14 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I feel guilty of perpetuating anything.
If you feel so, sorry.
I'm super-stoaked with the outcome of all this though.


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    #19414330 - 01/13/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I feel guilty of perpetuating anything.
If you feel so, sorry.
I'm super-stoaked with the outcome of all this though.



Same, I feel very guilty. I sent violet a pm, but I get the feeling that she prefers public apologies, so let it be known that I am sorry and it will not happen again.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19414382 - 01/13/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Chronicr I'm always glad you're so often here.  Honest to god without your gracious and light-hearted post littered in the mix I might have chosen to abandon this forum a while ago.
Where's tmethyl when he's needed, huh?


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Do the grow. I think that not having done one so far is what has lead to this.
Really you should have done it from the start.




Sigh...  again and again, it's missed that my original thread is itself a sort of grow log... where I simply failed to document the first and second flushes (except for a sparse few containers) by the time I decided to post it all. So I did my best to document several third, fourth, fifth, even sixth flushes, harvested and weighed fresh, and shared my average yield-per-container information based on my total bags of dried fruits divided by the number of containers used to grow it.
Regardless, I showed Everything I had done at the time that I could, except for a few jewels I've kept around as little personal secrets to indulge one day...


So really what this is, is a person who doesn't like doing grow logs (me, I don't like doing grow logs), getting fed-up with people requesting a specific thing in ignorance of what so many of us already know: we really only learn about things when we do them ourselves.

But I'll use my shitty camera to document what I'm doing the best I can.

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Of course there will be some who will accuse you of rigging things. I feel that pain. But even if they do, ignore it.



Shouldn't be too bad.
I will use 1 pound of grass seed, and that grass seed only.
(I'd like to see someone do a "bulk" tek with 1 pound of rye, wheat, corn, or birdseed, and see what they yield using the grain and verm only, pure "bulk"-style watering dynamic)

Unfortunately the best I can do at the moment is a culture comparison.  I'm still unsure of what I'm dealing with culturally, but the two I'm testing I have some high hopes for.

So I'm not doing it in the claims of showing the very best that this technique can do. Rather, I'm looking out for a culture to help me accomplish that myself.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19414412 - 01/13/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

two people in a room.  only one can admit (s)he could be wrong.  guess who's right...  fuck all y'all.

but also, thank you.

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    #19414425 - 01/13/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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two people in a room.  only one can admit (s)he could be wrong.  guess who's right...  fuck all y'all.

but also, thank you.

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19414429 - 01/13/14 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I feel sorry for mentioning killer ostriches Pasty 'cause that was so OT.  Sorry for your dog too. :thumbup:

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19414442 - 01/13/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The real problem here is we have 2 great tek's, people politically rallying both side, and both when tweeked work to the best that can be expected.


Whats the big deal??

We are all growing killer flushes right?

I get 3 to 4 ounces dry outta a cake of straw made in a mycobag filled about 1/3 the way.

It costs me 75 cents per bag.

Im not trying to break any records, but if your efficiency is better than mine, more power to ya. Less than 1 dollar equivalent to 400$ barterwise. Im still green too. You guys are pushing higher efficiencies than me, and making a lot of noise.

Geesh.


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    #19414444 - 01/13/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The real problem here is we have 2 great tek's, people politically rallying both side, and both when tweeked work to the best that can be expected.


Whats the big deal??

We are all growing killer flushes right?





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