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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19412910 - 01/13/14 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

logically anxiety is from fears and fear is from death

if you don't die there is no reason to fear failure or loss

if there is no fear there is no reason to feel being anxious about anything we don't know or hate

but in facts, anxiety and fear are something else not related to death

so I think it is of truth freedom.. that is why usually honest people fear much more while only honest people seem to be anxious socially

as if truth is meaning certain situations to never accept as a way also that might save honest beings to still exist in true existence later to not be positively present through lies ways

existence must be true so absolutely right for sure

which confirm my sense about fear .. that fear is the only present conscious individual true sense of being

it is never but now and individually happening through conscious of else presence negatively

like what it becomes clear that humans cannot kill evil as it comes from supernatural forces

so in evil situations what is related to powers means or forceful wills humans would look suffering from certain disorders of being

for what evil throw right conscious on the ground to kill or enslave negatively as it wont support their selves
and truth which is never anyone but always infinite objective fact would leave the individual alone mostly where it cannot be free



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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19413120 - 01/13/14 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and?


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19413189 - 01/13/14 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so it's an adverbial expression
it invokes finality and ultimatum
it is the child who cried wolf.

it does not .m. .e. .a. .n. anything.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19413219 - 01/13/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what?


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19413337 - 01/13/14 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it sounds more scary than if you dont use the word death in it.


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Re: You're level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19413374 - 01/13/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
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LunarEclipse said:
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redgreenvines said:
so do you have a new angle on this?
I thought we had wrung the life out of this substantially unsupported theorem.

On the one hand, you have personal association to emotional history with (pleasure and) pain that will drive decisions.

On the other hand, you do have flight or fight, which is an adrenaline type of reflex to perceived bodily painful encounters or threats.

FoF applies to virtually all vertebrates and some invertebrates:
99.9% of those species exhibiting the FoF reaction seem to have no conceptual death reference.

simple minds go like this - let me translate:
"eat eat eat.... run away! run away!"




I would bet you are overweight.




these are the thoughts of cows
mine have a bit more range:
"money money money, drugs drugs drugs, sex, sex, sex, art art art, books, movies, computers run away, run away"




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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19414120 - 01/13/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I live with constant high levels of death anxiety. I can't shake it. Just stressing all the time and there is no cure, only relief, getting pissed and stoned.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19414193 - 01/13/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I live with constant high levels of death anxiety. I can't shake it. Just stressing all the time and there is no cure, only relief, getting pissed and stoned.




IMO and experience it's nigh on impossible to shake it.  Once you are hard wired to feel it as a basic root program even trying to change it usually brings panic.  Drugs, wisely used can offer some relief but it's a slippery slope as I'm sure you know.  I find the best relief is in total acceptance and no efforts to change.  Meditation and relaxation exercises must be pursued diligently and over a long period to have much effect but if you can manage that it helps also.

I know some of what you are feeling. You have my total empathy on this for what it's worth.  Your honesty continues to blow me away. :heart:


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Re: You're level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19414746 - 01/13/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm young. I don't look forward to my death. Letting go of everyone I love and all the memories and basically everything that made me, me. That's kinda scary. But I will accept it when it happens. I just don't want it to be anytime soon. I feel like when the time comes I will be ready. Dmt has given me an idea of what I might go through during those final moments. I personally believe that life on earth is just a part of the equation and death isn't the end. Although it certainly will be the end of me as a person.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19415481 - 01/14/14 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Right now my da feels low.
Maybe because I have close to nothing which is both liberating and depressing :shrug:

And I fall in the latter category of your op.
I was abused as a youth.  Molded to what I wasn't.
Denied of the things that interested me.  Pushed in directions that I felt obliged to continue in.

I think the opposite of your op.
If you have a loving family that stresses your importance you will feel a stronger attachment to this world, resulting in a higher fear of death.

But if I could switch my childhood for a randomly selected one, id keep mine.
I didn't have it nearly as bad as I think others do.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19415493 - 01/14/14 01:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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usulpsychonaut said:
I live with constant high levels of death anxiety. I can't shake it. Just stressing all the time and there is no cure, only relief, getting pissed and stoned.




Why do you think relief is only in the form of getting pissed and stoned?
I think there's a flaw in your logic of relief.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: cez]
    #19415623 - 01/14/14 02:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have no talent for getting with women that I see and lust for.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19415936 - 01/14/14 05:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
so it's an adverbial expression
it invokes finality and ultimatum
it is the child who cried wolf.

it does not .m. .e. .a. .n. anything.




The real threat that death poses makes it linger at the end of any worry, there would be no need for any worries without death.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19415942 - 01/14/14 05:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's nothing but worries if there's no death.

Death is the seemingly permanent out to all our worries.
This life would be ever more brutal it never ended.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: cez]
    #19415964 - 01/14/14 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cez said:
There's nothing but worries if there's no death.

Death is the seemingly permanent out to all our worries.
This life would be ever more brutal it never ended.




I don't think it would ever get started :lol:


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19416103 - 01/14/14 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
so it's an adverbial expression
it invokes finality and ultimatum
it is the child who cried wolf.

it does not .m. .e. .a. .n. anything.




The real threat that death poses makes it linger at the end of any worry, there would be no need for any worries without death.




I do not buy oversimplification like that.
I also do not buy organized religion, for the same reason...
i.e. since it is not patently clear that god does not exist then god does exist and you owe me tithe as his rep.

D.A. is the same big zero to me
i.e. god is death or god is life
no matter, I give you this message so I am son of god.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19416136 - 01/14/14 06:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I never seem to be able to figure out what you're talking about. :lol:

I don't see the correlation between religion for which there is no evidence and DA for which there is some evidence.

It's like equating  chemistry  and the easter bunny.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19416174 - 01/14/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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no matter, I give you this message so I am son of god.




:takingnotes:

Interesting where this conjecture is taking us. How does this apply to me thinking to myself about my inevitable doom?


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I do not buy oversimplification like that.




The details of that example are abstract and redundant, I left you a tidy summation you can disagree with.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #19416274 - 01/14/14 08:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
I never seem to be able to figure out what you're talking about. :lol:

I don't see the correlation between religion for which there is no evidence and DA for which there is some evidence.

It's like equating  chemistry  and the easter bunny.



there is evidence that people are afraid of death - this is true, and they do get anxious with that fear - also true.
but to then say that all anxiety is fear of death or DA is a mis-aligned syllogism:

i.e. bananas have yellow skins with some black marks when they are ripe, bees also have yellow skins with some black marks.
therefore bees are bananas.
and by virtue of logic
avoid bananas because you will get stung since even a dead bee can sting you.

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Repertoire89 said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:

no matter, I give you this message so I am son of god.




:takingnotes:

Interesting where this conjecture is taking us. How does this apply to me thinking to myself about my inevitable doom?


Quote:

redgreenvines said:

I do not buy oversimplification like that.




The details of that example are abstract and redundant, I left you a tidy summation you can disagree with.



it takes us to the realm of someone seeing the linkage (false or true, backwards logic or not) that DA exists and is therefore (erroneously) THE fundamental question.

Now this someone (like any religious nut) will declare rectitude and attempt to gather a following (which proves how right they really are - after all if 1000 people believe them then they are certainly right)

It's just how I see it when I take away the emotional attachment to the theory.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19416301 - 01/14/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
I never seem to be able to figure out what you're talking about. :lol:

I don't see the correlation between religion for which there is no evidence and DA for which there is some evidence.

It's like equating  chemistry  and the easter bunny.



there is evidence that people are afraid of death - this is true, and they do get anxious with that fear - also true.
but to then say that all anxiety is fear of death or DA is a mis-aligned syllogism:

i.e. bananas have yellow skins with some black marks when they are ripe, bees also have yellow skins with some black marks.
therefore bees are bananas.
and by virtue of logic
avoid bananas because you will get stung since even a dead bee can sting you.

The details of that example are abstract and redundant, I left you a tidy summation you can disagree with.



it takes us to the realm of someone seeing the linkage (false or true, backwards logic or not) that DA exists and is therefore (erroneously) THE fundamental question.

Now this someone (like any religious nut) will declare rectitude and attempt to gather a following (which proves how right they really are - after all if 1000 people believe them then they are certainly right)

It's just how I see it when I take away the emotional attachment to the theory.




The Cult Of Death Anxiety?



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