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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19412662 - 01/13/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

She can easily fix that. Like why. She could be beautiful.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19412669 - 01/13/14 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:


I call them beer-drinkers based on the typical body that a beer-drinker has. Loading of beer produces abdominal stretching and high estrogen levels, which produces enlarged breasts, protruding belly, and flat buttocks. Males above 40 years old who consume beer excessively have this body type as well.





You do realize that the whole "beer belly" thing is a myth right? You should fact what you believe. It's quite true that alcohol has tons of calories, but it doesn't cause this mysterious "beer belly" - excess calories (primarily unless the person has an underlying condition) causes it which could be from any number of foods / beverages.

And I don't even like beer.




That is true. It could be from soda. It could be from junk food. For me, weed, opiates, and beer causes it. It's not even the calories in beer that causes it, it's the extreme hunger and munchies I get afterward. I would eat like a 2-3k calorie meal while high on those, and then fall asleep right after. And that's what causes the "beer belly" look with me. You would be surprised at how big a belly can get on a 135lb 5'5" woman. And now I'm the exact same weight, but I don't have a belly at all, it's all muscle. It's quite amazing how 135lbs of fat looks from 135lbs of muscle.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19412679 - 01/13/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You just completely contradicted your earlier post that you even quoted.

First post:

Quote:

I call them beer-drinkers based on the typical body that a beer-drinker has. Loading of beer produces abdominal stretching and high estrogen levels, which produces enlarged breasts, protruding belly, and flat buttocks.




Contradiction:

Quote:

It's not even the calories in beer that causes it, it's the extreme hunger and munchies I get afterward. I would eat like a 2-3k calorie meal while high on those, and then fall asleep right after.




Which is it?


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19412687 - 01/13/14 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wish I got the munchies from bud ):


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19412690 - 01/13/14 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
I am hardly fat or chubby, if anything I am on the thin side, and I am quite athletic.
However I still disagree with you. Not everyone who disagrees with you is something you feel is derogatory (eg: everyone who disagrees with me is fat / chubby)...




I can attest to this. I was secretly watching tymo the other day, and he's could probably use a sammich or two. :shrug:


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19412706 - 01/13/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
You just completely contradicted your earlier post that you even quoted.

First post:

Quote:

I call them beer-drinkers based on the typical body that a beer-drinker has. Loading of beer produces abdominal stretching and high estrogen levels, which produces enlarged breasts, protruding belly, and flat buttocks.




Contradiction:

Quote:

It's not even the calories in beer that causes it, it's the extreme hunger and munchies I get afterward. I would eat like a 2-3k calorie meal while high on those, and then fall asleep right after.




Which is it?




Well, it's both. People who drink beer excessively almost always have that body, but it probably comes from excess calories due to the beer consumption.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412715 - 01/13/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The phytoestrogens that are in beer however, do definitely contribute to enlarged breast syndrome.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412747 - 01/13/14 02:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have a source for that?  It's not mentioned anywhere in the Wikipedia article about phytoestrogens.  It looks like there are some studies that indicate they can decrease the risk for several types of cancer including breast cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412748 - 01/13/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah every single bodybuilder I've talked to stays away from alcohol. Atleast the serious ones. Shiiiity drug if you look at the health negatives associated with it.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19412777 - 01/13/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
Do you have a source for that?  It's not mentioned anywhere in the Wikipedia article about phytoestrogens.  It looks like there are some studies that indicate they can decrease the risk for several types of cancer including breast cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens




It has long been known for years that phytoestrogens exist in tofu, but recently they have also been finding that phytoestrogens exist in high concentrations in beer, wine, and nuts as well:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10372741

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14627-gender-bending-chemicals-found-in-beer-and-wine.html#.UtRgiL8mang


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412779 - 01/13/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
Yeah every single bodybuilder I've talked to stays away from alcohol. Atleast the serious ones. Shiiiity drug if you look at the health negatives associated with it.




Such a scientific source :rolleyes:
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Crystal G said:
Quote:

pwnasaurus said:
Do you have a source for that?  It's not mentioned anywhere in the Wikipedia article about phytoestrogens.  It looks like there are some studies that indicate they can decrease the risk for several types of cancer including breast cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens




It has long been known for years that phytoestrogens exist in tofu, but recently they have also been finding that phytoestrogens exist in high concentrations in beer, wine, and nuts as well: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10372741




The whole phytoestrogen being bad and causing boobs is based on a misunderstanding of what phytoestrogen is and how it differs from estrogen.. It's the silly argument people have raised against soy products that has been debunked numerous times.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19412792 - 01/13/14 02:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
The whole phytoestrogen being bad and causing boobs is based on a misunderstanding of what phytoestrogen is and how it differs from estrogen.. It's the silly argument people have raised against soy products that has been debunked numerous times.




Care to elaborate? I mean I personally don't avoid phytoestrogens, I love nuts and tofu, as they are both high sources of protein. But I'm pretty certain that the reason Japanese men have been documented to have higher female hormone levels is basically because of high tofu and miso and soybean consumption.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412800 - 01/13/14 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

pwnasaurus said:
Do you have a source for that?  It's not mentioned anywhere in the Wikipedia article about phytoestrogens.  It looks like there are some studies that indicate they can decrease the risk for several types of cancer including breast cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens




It has long been known for years that phytoestrogens exist in tofu, but recently they have also been finding that phytoestrogens exist in high concentrations in beer, wine, and nuts as well:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10372741

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14627-gender-bending-chemicals-found-in-beer-and-wine.html#.UtRgiL8mang



I was not questioning whether phytoestrogens exist in beer, I was questioning that they have the effects you listed.

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The phytoestrogens that are in beer however, do definitely contribute to enlarged breast syndrome.




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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19412820 - 01/13/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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KremrBigSikter said:
Crystal geyser is gonna come in here any second now and claim that that woman is technically obese.




It's funny because you were right.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412822 - 01/13/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

tymoteusz3 said:
The whole phytoestrogen being bad and causing boobs is based on a misunderstanding of what phytoestrogen is and how it differs from estrogen.. It's the silly argument people have raised against soy products that has been debunked numerous times.




Care to elaborate? I mean I personally don't avoid phytoestrogens, I love nuts and tofu, as they are both high sources of protein. But I'm pretty certain that the reason Japanese men have been documented to have higher female hormone levels is basically because of high tofu and miso and soybean consumption.




Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

Dietary soy protein containing isoflavonoids does not adversely affect the reproductive tract of male cynomolgus macaques (Macaca fascicularis):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17513396

Phytoestrogens have cancer-protective properties:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7884562

A simple pubmed search always brings up troves in info..


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19412835 - 01/13/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19412842 - 01/13/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

tymoteusz3 said:
The whole phytoestrogen being bad and causing boobs is based on a misunderstanding of what phytoestrogen is and how it differs from estrogen.. It's the silly argument people have raised against soy products that has been debunked numerous times.




Care to elaborate? I mean I personally don't avoid phytoestrogens, I love nuts and tofu, as they are both high sources of protein. But I'm pretty certain that the reason Japanese men have been documented to have higher female hormone levels is basically because of high tofu and miso and soybean consumption.




Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

Dietary soy protein containing isoflavonoids does not adversely affect the reproductive tract of male cynomolgus macaques (Macaca fascicularis):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17513396

Phytoestrogens have cancer-protective properties:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7884562

A simple pubmed search always brings up troves in info..




Now I have a bunch more info that counteracts your studies. These specifically studied the population of Japanese men though, as they are known to consume high amounts of soy quite frequently:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10798211

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1349-7006.2010.01770.x/full


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412855 - 01/13/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The first study you linked to is quite outdated compared with what I linked to and relies heavily on correlation, and we all know that correlation != causation.
The general consensus among scientists is that soy products (and phytoestrogen in food) is safe.

The second one has nothing to do with excess estrogen causing boobs and similar but with gastrointestinal cancer.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19412862 - 01/13/14 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
The first study you linked to is quite outdated compared with what I linked to and relies heavily on correlation, and we all know that correlation != causation.
The general consensus among scientists is that soy products (and phytoestrogen in food) is safe.

The second one has nothing to do with excess estrogen causing boobs and similar but with gastrointestinal cancer.




Yes, I posted that one because you mentioned phytoestrogens have cancer-protective properties, but it actually depends on what type of cancer and whether the soy is fermented or not.


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Re: Look at what the media is portraying as a plus-sized model. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19412874 - 01/13/14 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But, I will also relay my personal experience with tofu... and that is when I had acne when I was younger, eating a lot of tofu all the time seemed to make my acne disappear temporarily. When I stopped eating tofu, it would come back with a vengeance. Now how could it do that unless it was altering my hormone levels in some subtle way? Everybody knows that dermatologists prescribe birth control pills to clear up the skin, because estrogen causes clear skin.

(The only thing that ended up working for my acne was BC pills + a regiment of spironolactone, a testosterone suppressor btw. Yea I was suffering from excess testosterone, big surprise lol)


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