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liamtheloser
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
#19408039 - 01/12/14 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have the eBay cast iron crank mill, you just really have to micro adjust the plate opening until you get a good cracking. With soy beans it's almost all the way tight, and I usually run them through a second time just to make sure I got them all cracked. Black beans are just a tiny bit bigger then soy, so I barely open it up, maybe a half turn.
Although on eBay they call it a grain mill, I wouldn't try to grind grain in it, I don't think you'd get anything close to flour, but it does make decent corn meal. Also I saw someone grinding roasted cacao with it so I'll try that too.
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Did the hair drier trick today; and it worked like a charm With milling, I did the same thing you said except when the mill splits the beans it breaks them into all different size pieces, and lots of smaller pieces. Also, what speed are your cranking for the mill? I will give this mill another try or two, but it is annoying.
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
#19409900 - 01/12/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And what about something like lentils? They wouldn't need crackin' eh? Any good?
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Forrester]
#19410740 - 01/13/14 12:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well the problem with cracking oblong beans is that they hit the mill head facing all sorts of directions. This will cause some to be cracked and some to be shattered. Luckily tempeh doesn't really care too much as long as the hull has been penetrated.
Soy beans are perfectly round and uniform in size, so they crack really well.
And yeah, you can use lentils or whatever you like, just remember that tempeh will change the taste of your favorite bean. Also, lentils would be tricky to get the water content right, they tend to fall apart when they get hydrated.
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Thanks for tips
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
#19422183 - 01/15/14 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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today i got my tempehstarted in thru the mail.  since i don;t have a grainmill, i'm going to start with combinations of lentils and grains/quinoa, to make patties/burgers. i'm really excited, lots of people around here tell me they would want some organic, fresh tempeh.
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liamtheloser
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19422307 - 01/15/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome! Let us know how it turns out!
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So while you're all cracking beans in your living room, I got commercially purchased tempeh on agar and it filled the hole plate in no time and you can see the sporangium (if that's the correct term to call those black little dots)
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
#19423017 - 01/15/14 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice! Now it's your turn to get cracking!
Also I have to mention it even though I'm probably wrong, but that doesn't look like the tempeh fungus nor its sporulation. It's probably just because it's on agar
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Yes it looks very different than on tempeh but i did different petri dishes and they all colonized super fast like the whole plate to the top in less than 48 hours. and I only got that with my tempeh experiences :p Anyway, since I don't have a dehydrator, I did something silly that I read nowhere :
I took one of the petri dish just like the one on the picture and i put it in the blender with the agar (so not dry) with rice flour I made from rice (da). I made a mixture out of this, cooked some skinned organic soy beans mixed with plenty of my fresh starter and put this in a plastic bag with holes in an incubator at 30 degrees. I will let you know tomorrow night how bad this went ! I'm just trying to see if tempeh starter HAS to be dehydrated and dry :p
Feel free to predict what's going to happen !
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
#19423182 - 01/15/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I predict we will see tomorrow! I don't think starter has to be dry, because if you buy commercial starter it's a liquid.
I think the spore powder is more convenient for hobby or home growers since you don't have to maintain a sterile culture. But it's great you're doing it!
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
#19424003 - 01/15/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: fizzbin]
#19426897 - 01/16/14 09:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so it semi failed, it defenitely fermented and had a special smell, I could see growth of white mold but the thing wouldn't stick together, I think the mix was too compressed and had too much "starter" and maybe not enough air :/ Anyway, I'm going to try again
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
#19427022 - 01/16/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it had a special smell the bacteria got it.
Need to make your beans drier.
Also try fermenting in a glass dish covered with foil (and put some holes in the foil). It's actually more difficult to grow it in ziploc bags.
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Barnabey]
#19432012 - 01/17/14 06:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Barnabey said: so it semi failed, it defenitely fermented and had a special smell, I could see growth of white mold but the thing wouldn't stick together, I think the mix was too compressed and had too much "starter" and maybe not enough air :/ Anyway, I'm going to try again 
Lentils is probably the worst bean to start with for making tempeh. Many people if not all people say that it cant be done/isnt worth it. Try black bean, garbanzo, black eye pea, kidney bean, etc.
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
#19432043 - 01/17/14 06:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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green lentils don't break while cooking like red/yellow do.
but i'm just searching for something besides grains i could use to let colonise, for wich i don't need a grainmill. do i need to crack the beans you just mentioned?
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19432127 - 01/17/14 07:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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forrest said: green lentils don't break while cooking like red/yellow do.
but i'm just searching for something besides grains i could use to let colonise, for wich i don't need a grainmill. do i need to crack the beans you just mentioned?
You can do it by hand after soaking, which is the Indonesion original method (well actually, they use their feet lol).
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: Aleon]
#19432399 - 01/17/14 09:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can also put dry beans in a blender and hit pulse a couple times, it's usually enough to break most of the beans.
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thanks, i'll try the blender!
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Re: Tempeh Experience [Re: forrest]
#19436336 - 01/18/14 04:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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<= has been using normal yellow soy beans without the hulls.
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